Huge female player forum on Reddit

[Skjöldr]

That is a method to weed out the guys who are not actually that interested in her and just want to fuck her . Look at the most senior members of the forum , they mainly go to the most receptive girls out there , because they just want to get laid

The more time you spend in the courtship stage , the more invested you will be in her , and thus letting go after sex will be more difficult , because you will start backward rationalize that since you put so much effort in her it means that she is better than most of the girls

If you ask me it is quite a good tactic from their side , and for sure efficient

It would certainly work to filter through guys who just wanna get laid and the guys competing for the boyfriend/provider role, yknow, beta bucks. If that's what a girl wants, then by all means be my guest. But i won't be competing for that role the next 10 years of my life until i'm around 30. If she wants a beta provider then yeah she should probably make all those weird rules and flake and give the cheek and play hard to get. Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.

 

[BigPapa]

It would certainly work to filter through guys who just wanna get laid and the guys competing for the boyfriend/provider role, yknow, beta bucks. If that's what a girl wants, then by all means be my guest. But i won't be competing for that role the next 10 years of my life until i'm around 30. If she wants a beta provider then yeah she should probably make all those weird rules and flake and give the cheek and play hard to get. Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.

Before I explain you why your view is extremist and why it will not really help you on the medium and long term , let me summarize the history of PUA .

Basically PUA started getting a lot of followers with Mystery . This guy was a smart and realized a lot of interesting stuff . The main problem with him is that he has asperger syndrome ( basically a mild form of autism ) . Since he could not really relate due to being autistic with women , he focused a lot on how to " trick" them. More or less this was the PUA doctrine for quite a while , and a lot of people in the PUA underworld where actually autists .

Then some naturals started seeing the benefits of what the first PUA generation created , and using their natural understanding of dating added their experience to the mystery method, while removing other things that they did not like & were too much . This guys were Vin Dicarlo & another guy ( I do not really remember his name ) who basically created a new product that can be catered to most men in the world called the "Natural Method" . More or less GC is the legit continuator of the "Natural Method" .

Now coming to what you wrote , seeing things only as "beta" vs "alpha" and stuff like that is quite a limiting belief & extremist in the same case , and shows that you do not really understand women yet .

Let me explain you why :

High quality women are very scarce and in high demand , just as high quality men are . Since you do not really find everywhere a high quality women if you are a healthy individual you will realize that going extreme ( " my way or the high way") will not really work for a long period of time and this attitude will only make her distance from you , because well she is also a human being and wants to be understood . Just as you want the same

Again I am talking here about all kinds of relationships , not necessary a boyfriend - girlfriend one .

Till recently it was enough to be a provider let;s say , because women till like 50 years ago were just staying home and very dependent on their man . So more or less the paradigm till recently for a guy was : Provider = Sex . Don't take it wrong , the mail man were actually taking full advantage of the situation and banging all the bored staying home housewives , while you were at work . In the same time there was a lot of social pressure on women to marry young + not fool around otherwise everyone will slut shame her and basically without any means to support herself she would just have a shit life , because other guys would not marry her or take care of her ( unless she was hot )

Then something interesting happened , feminism started pushing in and women became more liberated ( I think that this is a good thing , just like all good things were moved to an extreme , that actually is more toxic than good ) . Suddenly it was not enough anymore to just be a provider to bang & have a relationship with a woman . This are the times that we live now , the modern man needs to be a lover & provider in the same time in order to "secure" the highest quality woman out there , otherwise it will just not work .

Trust me mate , being a good lover and securing a high caliber women & then she just vanishes after a while because you do not really have any provider traits will go mad & deepen your insecurities towards women

 

[Skjöldr]

Before I explain you why your view is extremist and why it will not really help you on the medium and long term , let me summarize the history of PUA .

Basically PUA started getting a lot of followers with Mystery . This guy was a smart and realized a lot of interesting stuff . The main problem with him is that he has asperger syndrome ( basically a mild form of autism ) . Since he could not really relate due to being autistic with women , he focused a lot on how to " trick" them. More or less this was the PUA doctrine for quite a while , and a lot of people in the PUA underworld where actually autists .

Then some naturals started seeing the benefits of what the first PUA generation created , and using their natural understanding of dating added their experience to the mystery method, while removing other things that they did not like & were too much . This guys were Vin Dicarlo & another guy ( I do not really remember his name ) who basically created a new product that can be catered to most men in the world called the "Natural Method" . More or less GC is the legit continuator of the "Natural Method" .

Now coming to what you wrote , seeing things only as "beta" vs "alpha" and stuff like that is quite a limiting belief & extremist in the same case , and shows that you do not really understand women yet .

Let me explain you why :

High quality women are very scarce and in high demand , just as high quality men are . Since you do not really find everywhere a high quality women if you are a healthy individual you will realize that going extreme ( " my way or the high way") will not really work for a long period of time and this attitude will only make her distance from you , because well she is also a human being and wants to be understood . Just as you want the same

Again I am talking here about all kinds of relationships , not necessary a boyfriend - girlfriend one .

Till recently it was enough to be a provider let;s say , because women till like 50 years ago were just staying home and very dependent on their man . So more or less the paradigm till recently for a guy was : Provider = Sex . Don't take it wrong , the mail man were actually taking full advantage of the situation and banging all the bored staying home housewives , while you were at work . In the same time there was a lot of social pressure on women to marry young + not fool around otherwise everyone will slut shame her and basically without any means to support herself she would just have a shit life , because other guys would not marry her or take care of her ( unless she was hot )

Then something interesting happened , feminism started pushing in and women became more liberated ( I think that this is a good thing , just like all good things were moved to an extreme , that actually is more toxic than good ) . Suddenly it was not enough anymore to just be a provider to bang & have a relationship with a woman . This are the times that we live now , the modern man needs to be a lover & provider in the same time in order to "secure" the highest quality woman out there , otherwise it will just not work .

Trust me mate , being a good lover and securing a high caliber women & then she just vanishes after a while because you do not really have any provider traits will go mad & deepen your insecurities towards women

Yess def. I have an open mind, call it what you want, alpha/beta, high value man/low value man, lover/provider. Obviously high value women want high value men. If you wanna be with a high value woman long-term, then you need to be a high value man with long term potential (commitment, security, provision etc.)

My point is this: Isn't chase framing the guy as the chaser anti-seductive? Wouldn't it decrease the value of a man if he puts her on a pedestal, chases her, pledges commitment and provision before she has provided him with intimacy etc.? Wouldn't teaching women to make BS rules, flake, give the cheek etc be counter productive?

Maybe i'm wording all of this wrong, but i'm genuinely confused by this. Applying "The Rules" seems like shooting yourself in the foot for women.

 

[BigPapa]

Yess def. I have an open mind, call it what you want, alpha/beta, high value man/low value man, lover/provider. Obviously high value women want high value men. If you wanna be with a high value woman long-term, then you need to be a high value man with long term potential (commitment, security, provision etc.)

My point is this: Isn't chase framing the guy as the chaser anti-seductive? Wouldn't it decrease the value of a man if he puts her on a pedestal, chases her, pledges commitment and provision before she has provided him with intimacy etc.? Wouldn't teaching women to make BS rules, flake, give the cheek etc be counter productive?

Maybe i'm wording all of this wrong, but i'm genuinely confused by this. Applying "The Rules" seems like shooting yourself in the foot for women.

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[Tim Iron]

But WHY would they want them to work on guys? These strategies to frame the guy as the pleaser/chaser/etc makes guys unattractive to them. Why would they make their "Mr. Right" less attractive? It boggles me. When they employ this tactic of flaking, not calling or texting, setting up bullshit rules like "no kissing unless he has complimented me 5 times and held my hand for 7 minutes and 23 seconds and no sex until the 5th date" etc, all they are gonna get are needy, desperate beta guys living in scarcity. Their "Mr. Right" (likely a high value man) won't put up with shit like that.

It is likely going to work on guys with successful careers that don't have multiple women in their lives. If these women are reasonably cute and add some pull tactics to hook these guys, they will get a provider boyfriend that may become a husband. Most men know nothing about presenting themselves as a lover instead of a provider, so it is likely going to work on the average guy.

 

[Lover]

My point is this: Isn't chase framing the guy as the chaser anti-seductive? Wouldn't it decrease the value of a man if he puts her on a pedestal, chases her, pledges commitment and provision before she has provided him with intimacy etc.? Wouldn't teaching women to make BS rules, flake, give the cheek etc be counter productive?

You're absolutely right. From a guy's perspective it may look ridiculous.

But that's why it's awesome that you can show her you're the real deal. Most men will fall for her attempts to frame things in a way benefitting of her first and him second. You re-frame things to benefit either you or the both of you. You show her you're confident in your own skin. You disagree with her when you have to. If she asks you of hypothetical you-and-her scenarios (or you-and-random-girl), you either answer truthfully in the way you want things or you just avoid answering in a charming way - you don't reply what you think she wants to hear.

If girls just made guys the 1-up every time, they'd be spreading their legs a lot and pick guys on who-knows-which factors. But his confidence in himself and in picking her up? No way she can measure that if she just makes things too easy for him. She has to know he's worth investing in.

So yes, may seem counterproductive on the outset. But once you understand some of the underlying causes and know how to use it to your advantage, it's actually more enjoyable to go through the process of seducing her

 

[Velasco]

Wouldn't teaching women to make BS rules, flake, give the cheek etc be counter productive?

Maybe i'm wording all of this wrong, but i'm genuinely confused by this. Applying "The Rules" seems like shooting yourself in the foot for women.

What's a chick's most valuable asset? What's the thing that she has, that makes you want to approach her for sexual reason? She's got a pussy....But so does that whale over there. Why aren't you approaching her? Because if you were to impregnate her, your kid (offspring) will be very unlikely to attract and therefore mate with an attractive male/female -> effectively killing off your gene's timeline. So mothernature made, girls with unhealthy genes (whales/ugly girls) physically unattractive to you (not wanting to have sex with her). So at a primal level, the reason you approach attractive girls, is because you want to impregnate them, so that it gives your offspring the highest probability of passing on your genes.

Girls too want to get impregnated by an attractive man so that it gives their offspring the highest probability of passing on their genes. But in their case, they cant go around impregnating billions of men. So their sexual strategy is to get that attractive man to stay in the relationship, long enough to help raise the child. What gives her the highest probability of that happening (after making herself attractive enough (fitness, clothes, makeup, plastic surgery) to attract the attractive man in the first place)? Make the attractive man work for their pussy. Because they understand that we value things more when we worked for them rather than things that were just handed to us.

And this is how it was, all up until 2010ish, with what Gunwitch coined the beginning of "The Sluttening" era. Suddenly "the rules" strategies became outdated. And girls no longer have a huge stigma about sleeping with a man on the first date/night. Doesn't mean girls haven't adopted new strategies on how to keep themselves from getting played.

 

[Skjöldr]

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Thank you i will read those.

It is likely going to work on guys with successful careers that don't have multiple women in their lives. If these women are reasonably cute and add some pull tactics to hook these guys, they will get a provider boyfriend that may become a husband. Most men know nothing about presenting themselves as a lover instead of a provider, so it is likely going to work on the average guy.

Seems the pieces are falling into place now. Yes, if that's what she wants, if her ideal relationship is one where she controls the frame and she wants a long-term provider she has by the balls, then applying the strategies from "The Rules" will definitely do that.

You're absolutely right. From a guy's perspective it may look ridiculous.

But that's why it's awesome that you can show her you're the real deal. Most men will fall for her attempts to frame things in a way benefitting of her first and him second. You re-frame things to benefit either you or the both of you. You show her you're confident in your own skin. You disagree with her when you have to. If she asks you of hypothetical you-and-her scenarios (or you-and-random-girl), you either answer truthfully in the way you want things or you just avoid answering in a charming way - you don't reply what you think she wants to hear.

If girls just made guys the 1-up every time, they'd be spreading their legs a lot and pick guys on who-knows-which factors. But his confidence in himself and in picking her up? No way she can measure that if she just makes things too easy for him. She has to know he's worth investing in.

So yes, may seem counterproductive on the outset. But once you understand some of the underlying causes and know how to use it to your advantage, it's actually more enjoyable to go through the process of seducing her

Yes women screen men in many ways to see if his words matches his behaviour, shit-testing is one. I would love to see a woman employing her "The Rules" game against a guy with good game. Do you think a woman will break "The Rules" for certain guys, or does she follow them strictly?
I know Corey Wayne says not to deal with women who set these roadblocks and rules up for you, because it means her rules are more important than her desire for you, and she isn't acting out of genuine desire naturally, going with the flow, but acting out of her check list.

What's a chick's most valuable asset? What's the thing that she has, that makes you want to approach her for sexual reason? She's got a pussy....But so does that whale over there. Why aren't you approaching her? Because if you were to impregnate her, your kid (offspring) will be very unlikely to attract and therefore mate with an attractive male/female -> effectively killing off your gene's timeline. So mothernature made, girls with unhealthy genes (whales/ugly girls) physically unattractive to you (not wanting to have sex with her). So at a primal level, the reason you approach attractive girls, is because you want to impregnate them, so that it gives your offspring the highest probability of passing on your genes.

Girls too want to get impregnated by an attractive man so that it gives their offspring the highest probability of passing on their genes. But in their case, they cant go around impregnating billions of men. So their sexual strategy is to get that attractive man to stay in the relationship, long enough to help raise the child. What gives her the highest probability of that happening (after making herself attractive enough (fitness, clothes, makeup, plastic surgery) to attract the attractive man in the first place)? Make the attractive man work for their pussy. Because they understand that we value things more when we worked for them rather than things that were just handed to us.

And this is how it was, all up until 2010ish, with what Gunwitch coined the beginning of "The Sluttening" era. Suddenly "the rules" strategies became outdated. And girls no longer have a huge stigma about sleeping with a man on the first date/night. Doesn't mean girls haven't adopted new strategies on how to keep themselves from getting played.

Alot of single moms just has sex with a dude and has another guy raise the kid. So she will spread her legs for that top genetics alpha male/player and if he dumps her, apply "The Rules" to get a beta to provide for the offspring and her.

Bottomline is, how does game collide with women playing hard to get? If a woman gave me the cheek because it was the first date even though she was head over heels in love with me i would think she was weird and rather not deal with it.

 

[Velasco]

If a woman gave me the cheek because it was the first date even though she was head over heels in love with me i would think she was weird and rather not deal with it.

You have to remember that "The Rules" was written before the the seduction community came about. Before Mystery Method (1998). Before Sex Talk (2007). So her giving you the cheek means your game was wack and you didn't deal with her underlying issues (if she has any) regarding sleeping with a guy she's in love with on the first night. Sometimes you'll run into girls who blindly follow rules without understanding why they follow them in the first place (or they know why, but then don't know the "why" behind that reason). So by simply asking her "why" you can reframe her objections. And ultimately have her break "her" rules for you

 

[BigPapa]

Alot of single moms just has sex with a dude and has another guy raise the kid. So she will spread her legs for that top genetics alpha male/player and if he dumps her, apply "The Rules" to get a beta to provide for the offspring and her.

Everything is about sex , except sex . Sex is about power

 

[Chrance]

The Offline Dating Method

How to Date without dating apps

Quote:
“Virginia advises readers to start conversations with others by simply remarking on what’s happening within their shared scenery rather than opening with a joke or a canned pickup line; she reminds readers that it’s okay to think of some interactions with strangers as just “practice” for others that will be more important, as a way of lowering the stakes and the inherent stress.”

That’s pretty sound advise. There’s a lot of good stuff in that article

 

[Skjöldr]

You have to remember that "The Rules" was written before the the seduction community came about. Before Mystery Method (1998). Before Sex Talk (2007). So her giving you the cheek means your game was wack and you didn't deal with her underlying issues (if she has any) regarding sleeping with a guy she's in love with on the first night. Sometimes you'll run into girls who blindly follow rules without understanding why they follow them in the first place (or they know why, but then don't know the "why" behind that reason). So by simply asking her "why" you can reframe her objections. And ultimately have her break "her" rules for you

Aye like, if she follows the rules blindly you can try peeling them off but what if she sticks to her guns?

 

[Lover]

Do you think a woman will break "The Rules" for certain guys, or does she follow them strictly?

Here are some things to consider when it comes to a girl breaking her rules.

Are you attractive to the particular girl?
Some girls break the rules for me, but follow their checklist with other guys.

Some girls break the rules for other guys, but follow their checklist with me.

(That is assuming that they have a checklist. Some girls don't follow a checklist, they figure how they feel about a guy during the date)

Context?
Some girls will hardcore follow their rules when they're home, but turn things around and apply way fewer rules when they're on vacation. They have a reputation to manage at home. One wrong move, and they could suffer dearly from it. On vacation? Not so much.

If a girl is at home and gets an opportunity with an attractive guy that doesn't fit her ideal provider box, he's discrete and won't be a social burden, she may follow her checklist less or not at all.

Her current life situations
It could also depend on where she is at life. Is she looking for a rebound? Is she frustrated in life and needs someone to fuck her back to her senses? Did a guy screw her over, and now she wants to pay him back by fucking another guy? Is she just fucking horny? The provider checklist rarely exists in these cases.

What now?
In this post and the posts by the others, you know why the rules are effective. But you also know that girls will break them on occasion.

A guy that has tried to re-frame things in a more cooperative and sexual light and tried to move things forward, but she still sticks to her guns? He just leaves her, plain and simple. They don't seem compatible, so he will move on and find a girl he's more compatible with.

 

[Skjöldr]

Here are some things to consider when it comes to a girl breaking her rules.

Are you attractive to the particular girl?
Some girls break the rules for me, but follow their checklist with other guys.

Some girls break the rules for other guys, but follow their checklist with me.

(That is assuming that they have a checklist. Some girls don't follow a checklist, they figure how they feel about a guy during the date)

Context?
Some girls will hardcore follow their rules when they're home, but turn things around and apply way fewer rules when they're on vacation. They have a reputation to manage at home. One wrong move, and they could suffer dearly from it. On vacation? Not so much.

If a girl is at home and gets an opportunity with an attractive guy that doesn't fit her ideal provider box, he's discrete and won't be a social burden, she may follow her checklist less or not at all.

Her current life situations
It could also depend on where she is at life. Is she looking for a rebound? Is she frustrated in life and needs someone to fuck her back to her senses? Did a guy screw her over, and now she wants to pay him back by fucking another guy? Is she just fucking horny? The provider checklist rarely exists in these cases.

What now?
In this post and the posts by the others, you know why the rules are effective. But you also know that girls will break them on occasion.

A guy that has tried to re-frame things in a more cooperative and sexual light and tried to move things forward, but she still sticks to her guns? He just leaves her, plain and simple. They don't seem compatible, so he will move on and find a girl he's more compatible with.

Thank you, good post.

 

[Tank]

In regards to the point about men jumping through their hoops not being attractive to them: remember women are not men. Men take sexual pleasure as the primary motive when dealing with women. Women will often take some social agenda (usually for the sake of peer approval or the womb) as more important than her romantic and sexual joy, hence many will actually prefer an obedient provider she never has sex with, even if she is sexually frustrated, over a sexy charming man who will not go along with her agenda.

 

[BigPapa]

In regards to the point about men jumping through their hoops not being attractive to them: remember women are not men. Men take sexual pleasure as the primary motive when dealing with women. Women will often take some social agenda (usually for the sake of peer approval or the womb) as more important than her romantic and sexual joy, hence many will actually prefer an obedient provider she never has sex with, even if she is sexually frustrated, over a sexy charming man who will not go along with her agenda.

When this happens , usually the rule is that you put her into auto rejection . Sometimes is not really your fault and she is just super sensitive

 

[Tank]

When what happens? That you try to seduce a girl and she tries some social control tactics and you don't jump through her hoops and she ends up bailing?

I'd say that's not that common, but I also I highly doubt autorejection happens much.

But more often a seducer may have a few girls in mltr and one of them might get pissed off and leave to find a beta sexless provider Ltr, that's fairly common.

 

[BigPapa]

When what happens? That you try to seduce a girl and she tries some social control tactics and you don't jump through her hoops and she ends up bailing?

I'd say that's not that common, but I also I highly doubt autorejection happens much.

But more often a seducer may have a few girls in mltr and one of them might get pissed off and leave to find a beta sexless provider Ltr, that's fairly common.

I do not know from where you get all this lavish theories haha . Auto rejection happens quite often , especially as you improve in a lot of areas of your life .

You think that a girl can not make the difference between a guy who is bad or good with girls ? haha

Then you need to learn what to do in order for them not to auto reject

Maybe you mastered already how not to make girls auto reject , and things are so natural to you that basically you do not even think anymore what you are doing in this regards

 

[Tony D]

Haha. Taste the salt here. Leo's average age of GF is 18-25. https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/geixcd

 

[BigPapa]

Haha. Taste the salt here. Leo's average age of GF is 18-25. https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/geixcd

It is really funny to see this kind of women movements similar to the red pill & manosphere , but the problem is that they do not really address the problem and just spend time whining about things that basically are nature itself .

A friend of mine told me that in Russia you have this schools that are similar to the pua movement , where basically women are teached how to play the game from a woman point of view & how to sexually please a man . People there are more pragmatic . How you can not love the russians ?