I slowly give up on women

[DonJuan..]

Im not even ugly, I do have many high value traits like muscular body, good style, can play piano and guitar on a professional level. I have leadership skills and can socialise very well with People. I do also attract many women even beautiful ones with my physical attributes, but the problem is I can’t calibrate anything with those women. It’s like everything has to be perfect for them. Sometimes I talk about something and they go cold or I’m more experienced then them and they simply can’t relate or contribute to anything. Play games, vanish out of nowhere. It’s so annoying and depressing. Anytime I start to like a girl they vanish, because you make only one mistake? You just make one mistake and they have the privilege to disqualify you very fast maybe they were never interested at all? Attention whores, liers, time wasters, abusers, narcissists. It just sucks how delusional they are. I don’t know what to do anymore, lying here in my bed at 6am for hours with no sleep simply because I can’t attract any women. I feel depressed and this is the first time after years crying about something where i shouldn’t. I also know a therapy wouldn’t help, I study psychology so they have no idea about female nature and won’t be able to relate or guide me through the problems. I’m clearly depressed and I just can’t anymore. All I want Is a decent relationship with a girl, I wouldn’t even care about the sex in the first place since I value affection much more. I think the lover role isn’t really mine maybe it is or I just got gaslighted by women to think wrong about myself? Maybe I’m a victim of narcissist and that’s why I’m starting to lose myself? I don’t know what to do anymore..
I’m also scared about dating coaches, because I have made the experience that people nowadays only care about the money rather then to help the people that really suffer

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Are you meeting these girls on the apps?

 

[DonJuan..]

Are you meeting these girls on the apps?

What do you mean

 

[ElderPrice]

He’s asking: Where are you meeting these women?

You have my support, my friend. I’ve felt what you’re feeling so many times. I wish I could give you the exact path out of the tunnel and to success with women, but I’m still working on it myself.

Consider a therapist not for reasons that have to do with women, but for working on yourself. You definitely have excessive negativity, and most likely irrational beliefs and expectations. I’d also recommend finding the GC articles about how to make a big change. If you’ve been making subtle tweaks to your game and still going nowhere, it may be time for a big change. Such as moving somewhere else, new hobbies/career that are more conducive to meeting women, new friends, new mentor, new ways of meeting women, etc.

In short, keep finding things about yourself that you can improve. There’s no shortage of ways you can improve yourself and be a more complete man.

 

[Skills]

Im not even ugly, I do have many high value traits like muscular body, good style, can play piano and guitar on a professional level. I have leadership skills and can socialise very well with People. I do also attract many women even beautiful ones with my physical attributes, but the problem is I can’t calibrate anything with those women. It’s like everything has to be perfect for them. Sometimes I talk about something and they go cold or I’m more experienced then them and they simply can’t relate or contribute to anything. Play games, vanish out of nowhere. It’s so annoying and depressing. Anytime I start to like a girl they vanish, because you make only one mistake? You just make one mistake and they have the privilege to disqualify you very fast maybe they were never interested at all? Attention whores, liers, time wasters, abusers, narcissists. It just sucks how delusional they are. I don’t know what to do anymore, lying here in my bed at 6am for hours with no sleep simply because I can’t attract any women. I feel depressed and this is the first time after years crying about something where i shouldn’t. I also know a therapy wouldn’t help, I study psychology so they have no idea about female nature and won’t be able to relate or guide me through the problems. I’m clearly depressed and I just can’t anymore. All I want Is a decent relationship with a girl, I wouldn’t even care about the sex in the first place since I value affection much more. I think the lover role isn’t really mine maybe it is or I just got gaslighted by women to think wrong about myself? Maybe I’m a victim of narcissist and that’s why I’m starting to lose myself? I don’t know what to do anymore..
I’m also scared about dating coaches, because I have made the experience that people nowadays only care about the money rather then to help the people that really suffer

Your problem is instant gratification, you want to get good results super fast, i told you to write a journal, in a journal people can come along and help you.... You are all bumbed out about the interaction with the cat girl, which was not even a bad interaction you just slightly misscalibrated and over reached.... Do not come to seduction conclusions during a down period:

Restrain from arriving to seduction conclusions during down periods

We all go through bad streaks in pick up (i know a lot of you have been having just successes or just failures cause you have not been in the game long enough both tend to happen), life, break ups, relationships etc.... During those times no matter how much experience you have with social...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[DonJuan..]

He’s asking: Where are you meeting these women?

You have my support, my friend. I’ve felt what you’re feeling so many times. I wish I could give you the exact path out of the tunnel and to success with women, but I’m still working on it myself.

Consider a therapist not for reasons that have to do with women, but for working on yourself. You definitely have excessive negativity, and most likely irrational beliefs and expectations. I’d also recommend finding the GC articles about how to make a big change. If you’ve been making subtle tweaks to your game and still going nowhere, it may be time for a big change. Such as moving somewhere else, new hobbies/career that are more conducive to meeting women, new friends, new mentor, new ways of meeting women, etc.

In short, keep finding things about yourself that you can improve. There’s no shortage of ways you can improve yourself and be a more complete man.

Yes dating apps, whether on Snapchat or tinder, I couldn’t game a single one not even fat girls even though I look like a Greek god and get compliments from many women for my look. I’m improving myself almost everyday. I’m 6times the week in the gym, I do an internship and work to make my own money. I can make friends everyday, I really have no problem talking to people engaging them in a conversation and make them feel special and wanted in a GENUINE way because I always try to see the things from the positive side in everyone, but women kill my mind and it’s slowly shifting into the negative side. It’s also true that women are naturally high in narcissism, which only ups the negative thoughts

 

[DonJuan..]

Your problem is instant gratification, you want to get good results super fast, i told you to write a journal, in a journal people can come along and help you.... You are all bumbed out about the interaction with the cat girl, which was not even a bad interaction you just slightly misscalibrated and over reached.... Do not come to seduction conclusions during a down period:

Restrain from arriving to seduction conclusions during down periods

We all go through bad streaks in pick up (i know a lot of you have been having just successes or just failures cause you have not been in the game long enough both tend to happen), life, break ups, relationships etc.... During those times no matter how much experience you have with social...

www.skilledseducer.com

It’s actually not like that, i tried different methods, slow gaming, fast gaming. Giving them their time but no it just doesn’t work. The result is always the same, trust me so many people say that I’m actually a good conversationalist but because I was miscalibrated once, it’s a big reason to throw you away. Nobody is perfect and the thing is since I know I did a mistake with this one woman I know I wouldn’t do it again, I’d at least be more self aware but no chances. I found it’s actually a smart way to push some boundaries to see how they react if it’s negative, I apologise and acknowledge my mistake, but then I also know what to do next time, but ghosting? Bro I’m a human being not the Almighty god.

i appreciate all of you help, it’s like no matter what i do it’s wrong again and again and again. I’m so frustrated

 

[Skills]

Yes dating apps, whether on Snapchat or tinder, I couldn’t game a single one not even fat girls even though I look like a Greek god and get compliments from many women for my look. I’m improving myself almost everyday. I’m 6times the week in the gym, I do an internship and work to make my own money. I can make friends everyday, I really have no problem talking to people engaging them in a conversation and make them feel special and wanted in a GENUINE way because I always try to see the things from the positive side in everyone, but women kill my mind and it’s slowly shifting into the negative side. It’s also true that women are naturally high in narcissism, which only ups the negative thoughts

Online can be depressong and enmasculating, some people can not handle this aspect of online.. @Skjöldr when throug a similar period of overwhelming rejection from day game and online, got to the point of getting numb and no caring about rejections, as of now he is one of the dudes getting laid the most in the forum... anyways online is not being in one dating app. Minimum 4 if you are going to do it and is a supplemrlent, you should focus more on cold approach... guys often over rate their looks and their value... finally you can be a 10 if your pictures are not right you are invisible,..

 

[DonJuan..]

Online can be depressong and enmasculating, some people can not handle this aspect of online.. @Skjöldr when throug a similar period of overwhelming rejection from day game and online, got to the point of getting numb and no caring about rejections, as of now he is one of the dudes getting laid the most in the forum... anyways online is not being in one dating app. Minimum 4 if you are going to do it and is a supplemrlent, you should focus more on cold approach... guys often over rate their looks and their value... finally you can be a 10 if your pictures are not right you are invisible,..

Im definitely not delusional like those women. I take care of myself, have a skincare routine use vitamin c serum, retinoids, moisturizer and also sunscreen for years bro and I’m just 24. I know that I don’t overate my skills. I once played the piano on our university and was surrounded by group of girls and guys eagerly engaging with me in a conversation. We all had fun, played some songs and so on. Here leadership skills again. Once we visited a group of friends of my family there were some kids. I engaged with them and made them feel special, they really loved me and once we had to go home, those kids were running after our car because they wanted me to stay and have fun together, I’m a good guy, I know that. I would see myself look wise as an 8 face, but physique a 9. I’m also 6ft1 tall. anytime I’m outside there is sexual tension with 8/10 women

 

[Skills]

Im definitely not delusional like those women. I take care of myself, have a skincare routine use vitamin c serum, retinoids, moisturizer and also sunscreen for years bro and I’m just 24. I know that I don’t overate my skills. I once played the piano on our university and was surrounded by group of girls and guys eagerly engaging with me in a conversation. We all had fun, played some songs and so on. Here leadership skills again. Once we visited a group of friends of my family there were some kids. I engaged with them and made them feel special, they really loved me and once we had to go home, those kids were running after our car because they wanted me to stay and have fun together, I’m a good guy, I know that. I would see myself look wise as an 8 face, but physique a 9. I’m also 6ft1 tall. anytime I’m outside there is sexual tension with 8/10 women

re read my answer slowly

 

[PalmaSailor]

You’re far too needy and far too invested in the outcome from one woman or a small number of women and they can smell it on you.

you’re thinking about them, and to a large degree you need to ignore them and live how you want to.

*Attention whores, liers, time wasters, abusers, narcissists. It just sucks how delusional they are.*

Theyre really under your skin. You care too much and it indicates to them you have scarcity which they run a mile from. Back off it for a bit and focus on yourself and your own growth objectives.

 

[DonJuan..]

re read my answer slowly

I know what you mean, I don’t make professional pictures of myself, just causal ones but again women should be nowadays experienced enough that people fake their appearance, I even know some women who said uhh I met this one guy but he didn’t look like that in the pictures. Yeah dumbass because everyone is fake on social media

 

[DonJuan..]

You’re far too needy and far too invested in the outcome from one woman or a small number of women and they can smell it on you.

you’re thinking about them, and to a large degree you need to ignore them and live how you want to.

*Attention whores, liers, time wasters, abusers, narcissists. It just sucks how delusional they are.*

Theyre really under your skin. You care too much and it indicates to them you have scarcity which they run a mile from. Back off it for a bit and focus on yourself and your own growth objectives.

Yes I get it but that’s not the point. If I get ghosted I don’t know what the problem is, it can mean she is still interested or not interested, even if she is interested she will wait for me? What I mean is when you are not interested just say it so I can move on. I really have no problem with that. I usually don’t game many women, I focus on one girl so I appear more genuine

 

[TomInHo]

There is a lot to breakdown here so I'll do it point by point

Im not even ugly, I do have many high value traits like muscular body, good style, can play piano and guitar on a professional level. I have leadership skills and can socialise very well with People. I do also attract many women even beautiful ones with my physical attributes, but the problem is I can’t calibrate anything with those women. It’s like everything has to be perfect for them.

You don't need to be perfect to get women, you just need to be good enough. If what you are saying is true about you being so high value, you are probably presenting yourself in a way that is intimidating and not attractive

Sometimes I talk about something and they go cold or I’m more experienced then them and they simply can’t relate or contribute to anything.

See proved my point. You are too focused on showing how awesome you are rather than trying to focus on the woman and what she connects with. Let me tell you a secret... no one gives a damn about you and your silly accomplishments, people care about how you make them feel or the potential value you can bring into their lives

Play games, vanish out of nowhere. It’s so annoying and depressing.

They do this because you are not presenting an image that inspires them to chase

You just make one mistake and they have the privilege to disqualify you very fast maybe they were never interested at all? Attention whores, liers, time wasters, abusers, narcissists. It just sucks how delusional they are.

They are not delusional. You are

That's called projection brother

I don’t know what to do anymore, lying here in my bed at 6am for hours with no sleep simply because I can’t attract any women. I feel depressed and this is the first time after years crying about something where i shouldn’t. I also know a therapy wouldn’t help, I study psychology so they have no idea about female nature and won’t be able to relate or guide me through the problems.

Female Nature? Oh no don't tell me you've been over consuming that Redpill BS

All I want Is a decent relationship with a girl, I wouldn’t even care about the sex in the first place since I value affection much more. I think the lover role isn’t really mine maybe it is or I just got gaslighted by women to think wrong about myself? Maybe I’m a victim of narcissist and that’s why I’m starting to lose myself? I don’t know what to do anymore..

Bingo! We've finally found the problem

Look man, you have to accept this fact... there is no relationship without sex

Women love sex, but when it comes to relationships they need to work for it. From the way you are communicating in this thread you hold women to an unreasonably high standard

Why the hell would you want a relationship with a woman before you even know her? Because you will never really get to know a woman until you've fucked her brains out multiple times. Whatever you see before that point is an illusion

So when you are interacting with women you are probably projecting a lot of high expectations before sex and that shit just turns them off. Most women just want to have fun and then later pursue the relationship with the guy if he seems like he could be a good fit for that role

But the the way you are coming across you are presenting no challenge and also too much expectations. Chill out and present sex and fun first and your results will start improving

Don't get ahead of yourself with all this relationship crap

I’m also scared about dating coaches, because I have made the experience that people nowadays only care about the money rather then to help the people that really suffer

So you want to improve but are not willing to invest in yourself? Sounds like deep down you enjoy feeling sorry for yourself and don't actually want to be happy

You're addicted to your own negative emotions

Yes dating apps, whether on Snapchat or tinder, I couldn’t game a single one not even fat girls even though I look like a Greek god and get compliments from many women for my look. I’m improving myself almost everyday. I’m 6times the week in the gym, I do an internship and work to make my own money. I can make friends everyday, I really have no problem talking to people engaging them in a conversation and make them feel special and wanted in a GENUINE way because I always try to see the things from the positive side in everyone, but women kill my mind and it’s slowly shifting into the negative side. It’s also true that women are naturally high in narcissism, which only ups the negative thoughts

Brother look... you need to accept this

Your communication skills need work. You are communicating what you THINK people should value and not what they actually value.

I'll keep it simple for you. When it comes to women focus on selling SEX, SEX, SEX. I know it sounds simple but I can tell you are not actually doing that

Stop trying to sell yourself and sell SEX, FUN and PASSION... and think about how every technique you learn is improving your ability to do so

 

[PalmaSailor]

*I usually don’t game many women, I focus on one girl so I appear more genuine*

Yeah genuine nice guy approach.

it doesn’t work.

 

[DonJuan..]

*I usually don’t game many women, I focus on one girl so I appear more genuine*

Yeah genuine nice guy approach.

it doesn’t work.

Im not a nice guy and it doesn’t have to do with being a nice guy, I have my standards and boundaries, I definitely don’t let people disrespect or walk all over me. I call on bs

 

[DonJuan..]

There is a lot to breakdown here so I'll do it point by point



You don't need to be perfect to get women, you just need to be good enough. If what you are saying is true about you being so high value, you are probably presenting yourself in a way that is intimidating and not attractive



See proved my point. You are too focused on showing how awesome you are rather than trying to focus on the woman and what she connects with. Let me tell you a secret... no one gives a damn about you and your silly accomplishments, people care about how you make them feel or the potential value you can bring into their lives



They do this because you are not presenting an image that inspires them to chase



They are not delusional. You are

That's called projection brother



Female Nature? Oh no don't tell me you've been over consuming that Redpill BS



Bingo! We've finally found the problem

Look man, you have to accept this fact... there is no relationship without sex

Women love sex, but when it comes to relationships they need to work for it. From the way you are communicating in this thread you hold women to an unreasonably high standard

Why the hell would you want a relationship with a woman before you even know her? Because you will never really get to know a woman until you've fucked her brains out multiple times. Whatever you see before that point is an illusion

So when you are interacting with women you are probably projecting a lot of high expectations before sex and that shit just turns them off. Most women just want to have fun and then later pursue the relationship with the guy if he seems like he could be a good fit for that role

But the the way you are coming across you are presenting no challenge and also too much expectations. Chill out and present sex and fun first and your results will start improving

Don't get ahead of yourself with all this relationship crap



So you want to improve but are not willing to invest in yourself? Sounds like deep down you enjoy feeling sorry for yourself and don't actually want to be happy

You're addicted to your own negative emotions



Brother look... you need to accept this

Your communication skills need work. You are communicating what you THINK people should value and not what they actually value.

I'll keep it simple for you. When it comes to women focus on selling SEX, SEX, SEX. I know it sounds simple but I can tell you are not actually doing that

Stop trying to sell yourself and sell SEX, FUN and PASSION... and think about how every technique you learn is improving your ability to do so

Regarding communication skills, how do you suggest I should work on it? Dating coaches are way to expensive, I can’t afford one as a student

 

[PalmaSailor]

Im not a nice guy and it doesn’t have to do with being a nice guy, I have my standards and boundaries, I definitely don’t let people disrespect or walk all over me. I call on bs

You come across as needy and butt hurt you can’t get your own way with women and they’ll smell it a mile off.

“focusing on one woman at a time” obviously isn’t working or you wouldn’t be in here moaning about it.

And that ^^ “be honest and open with women” IS nice guy behaviour. And it obvious gets you nowhere. If you were knee deep in it you’d be too busy to be poasting in here.

Re think how you act towards them, kick them off the pedestal and stop chasing them for a bit.

 

[TomInHo]

Regarding communication skills, how do you suggest I should work on it? Dating coaches are way to expensive, I can’t afford one as a student

You're on a seduction forum G! there is so much free content at your disposal it's ridiculous

 

[DonJuan..]

You're on a seduction forum G! there is so much free content at your disposal it's ridiculous

Theory and practice both are very different experiences. there are many articles dude you don’t know where which one you should start with and I already read so many articles, it’s exhausting dude.