Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[Teevster]

@Teevster I remember you said some time back that when you go out to game, girls often open you due to your vibe and/or attire. Did I remember that right?

Only if I peacock to death - like wearing a sequin jacket. However, experience have proven me that women open mostly because they want to touch the jacket or because they think I am gay, or want to take a picture. There is often zero sexual interest and if I go in for a seduction, there is a lot of weird vibes and poor frame. So all I get is a free opener, but that's about it. And all this at the price of having a bad starting point. Such attire is therefore only useful in venues where social proof is the key. In venue where you opt for verbal (that is, approach a set and focus on seducing that girl - e.g. "daygame during nighttime") then such attire are not desirable.

Also, I only get a free openings at best - and not always the girls I desire. So at the end of the day, it is just a tool to speed up the momentum in social proof building.

And on a similar note, if or when you end up in a situation similar to Spike's, do you still try to sexualize the convo as much as possible to induce more compliance?

If the setting allows for it, yes. But if the setting does allow for it, I am also unlikely to wear overly flasy clothes (and will usually open rather than be opened).

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

When you say Gen Z, Do you mean Gen Z as in what the internet calls Gen Z (girls currently between 30 and 15 years old) or do you mean girls who are currently between the ages of 18 and 21? Not nitpicking, just conforming my own language to the norm of the guys here.

Gen z is 16 to 23 when we refer to in forum but even all the way to 28 are all kind of smilar

Regarding Gen Z,
guys who use 2nd Gen Verbals, what has been your experience with seducing Gen Z girls? I remember @Teevster saying he still uses 2nd Gen but changes the focus, but "does 2nd Gen work as well as ever?" is the simple question I'm asking.

Thanks!

Is most of the time no needed they are just too easy once the attraction is reached mainly a logistics issue than influence issue... Context clubs on dates is on case by case basis.. most dates fall on day game and online.. i know the post seem like a big issue but is not... I just hate losing lays that were there and got lazy or rust since haven't had to use in 5 years or so... context

 

[Teevster]

I remember @Teevster saying he still uses 2nd Gen but changes the focus, but "does 2nd Gen work as well as ever?" is the simple question I'm asking.

I never use/used the term 2nd gen. I think you must have gotten this wrong.

-Teevster

 

[Orchard]

Ok then how will one know if it's overkill?

If you aren’t getting resistance on physical escalation.

 

[TomInHo]

If you aren’t getting resistance on physical escalation.

I’ve been guilty of just having a normal conversation + physically escalating. And forgetting to interject sexual conversation. Ends with the girl not feeling turned on enough to suggest going home or you not getting the vibe that the pull is there

Then you get a new girl and muscle memory kicks in and since you haven't done second gen in a while and the flow going similar you don't use it or you get lazy and don't use it...

Then you don't close cause you assume you sub communicated everything none verbally

Topcat, this is more night game clubs, so here we go so i can explain better:

- you had 5 girls you fucked you did the same stuff they follow the same pattern

- then there was couple of girls that did the exact same behavior of the past, and you thought it was a slam dunk

- did not happen, looking back (key word looking back), you think in that case if i done second gen would have worked, you got fooled by assuming it was going to happen...

But I must admit, I do not always use it, mostly because I am a bit bored of spilling the same sex talk for over 10 years, and I personally find it refreshing getting pulls through other means. But each period I "forget" about the sex talk" my results coincidently plummet - like a lot.

And each time I start using it again, the results are back where they should be.

The girls I’m talking about where I failed to verbally sexualize the conversation. Were dtf and attracted. Because I didn’t. No lay.

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

There ya go

If you don't want to verbally escalate cool

But based of the accounts of very experienced guys that thought things were smooth without it, they later regretted not using it on lays they lost

These were lays they thought they had in the bag, so obviously her being receptive to physical escalation is not always enough

If you don't want to inject some simple sexual frames in conversation it's your choice

And if you lose the lay because of you didn't use it is it really a big deal? Because you can always find another girl that won't need it so I guess you right

Game however way you feel is best

 

[Skills]

The term second gen comes from bach or cosy... But is basically indirect sex talk

 

[Spike]

experience have proven me that women open mostly because they want to touch the jacket or because they think I am gay, or want to take a picture. There is often zero sexual interest

I’ve recently purchased a shirt that is quite flashy. The reason behind why I purchased it and my field experience has already shown I was right. Is because sometimes don’t know what to say to someone they find attractive. Same with us. There’s some girls that are quite bold and dont think they’ll get rejected that they’ll just straight up come up to you and say, “hi. I just wanted to say you’re so fine” and then you have a conversation with them. But for those that aren’t as bold, you can have help them out by wearing statement pieces (peacocking), that allows them an excuse to open you. Like if you’re wearing a basic blank tee with nothing on it. Can’t be like, “I like your shirt.” But if it’s something like this

They see you and can instantly without even thinking, open you, “omg I like your shirt. What’s your name?” Haven’t up to this point been confused for being gay or they just wanted to touch my shirt.

 

[Teevster]

If you aren’t getting resistance on physical escalation.

... is this trolling?

 

[Teevster]

I’ve recently purchased a shirt that is quite flashy. The reason behind why I purchased it and my field experience has already shown I was right. Is because sometimes don’t know what to say to someone they find attractive. Same with us. There’s some girls that are quite bold and dont think they’ll get rejected that they’ll just straight up come up to you and say, “hi. I just wanted to say you’re so fine” and then you have a conversation with them. But for those that aren’t as bold, you can have help them out by wearing statement pieces (peacocking), that allows them an excuse to open you. Like if you’re wearing a basic blank tee with nothing on it. Can’t be like, “I like your shirt.” But if it’s something like this

They see you and can instantly without even thinking, open you, “omg I like your shirt. What’s your name?” Haven’t up to this point been confused for being gay or they just wanted to touch my shirt.

Yeah totally. But you will not get approached enough to be able to rely on it though - at least not the case for me, unless I go overboard - which has its cons as I discussed.

But generally - yeah dress cool and stuff - will always help. Have an item that they can use as an excuse to open you. Thats the basics of peacocking right.

PS: love the shirt, not my style but I can how it can be a hell of an attention grab.
PSS:

 

[Bismarck]

Now I'm curious about TomInHo's stranger vs. relationship sex gambit, and Teevster's self-control is sexy gambit.

 

[Teevster]

Now I'm curious about TomInHo's stranger vs. relationship sex gambit, and Teevster's self-control is sexy gambit.

Tomhino's original "stranger vs lover" gambit.

My take on that gambit.

And the self-control gambit.

-Teev

 

[Skills]

... is this trolling?

He is saying if she doesn't stop escalation and complies . I don't get your thinking his trolling

 

[Skills]

Why would I try to teach you something?

Just my thoughts.

I have not found 2nd gen much useful for myself personally apart from those 2 gambits.

Okay cool and yet..you recently lose s lay by no addressing fuck and dump aka second gen

 

[Skills]

By the way I am personally going back to doing second gen even if overkill... Cause even when over kill it won't cost you the lay.. she will just make a face saying... brah!

 

[Teevster]

He is saying if she doesn't stop escalation and complies . I don't get your thinking his trolling

That is not what he said.

"If you aren’t getting resistance on physical escalation. "

Which entails that "if shit does not fuck up, then you know you are good" but the whole point of such verbal game is to avoid getting resistance. Thus, logically, it follows that you cannot judge on the necessity of verbals based on a future occurance, since the whole point of such "second gen" verbals is to prevent a certain scenario.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

By the way I am personally going back to doing second gen even if overkill... Cause even when over kill it won't cost you the lay.. she will just make a face saying... brah!

I mean overkill and overkill. I think I can count on like one hand how many times overdoing verbal game has ruined my lay. I think the main danger is inflation- overdoing it without doing any breaks - e.g. fractionating out of it and leaving her wanting more. But aside from this, the overgaming with sexual verbals will only make her go crazy.

I remember in 2022 I had this chick over whom i pulled, and I was just sex talking while drinking whisky. No touching on my end, zero. And she kept claiming it was warm in my flat and started undressing. I did not react and just kept drinking whisky and kept talkign about sexual subjects, up till she interupted me "hey honey, cant you see I am naked?". Is this overkill? Fuck yeah. But does this make the whole seduction just 100x more juicy? HELL FUCKING YEAH.

Alright fuck it, I am going out tomorrow - going to do a two-nighters (haven't been going out much this summer due to being busy with moving and currently at my parents flat cat-sitting while mum is away) but fuck it, I am heading to a venue where I can run verbals. During my latest outings, I have not used sex talk much (just lazy), but since you are going to do it, then, I have no choice but to tag along.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Just like with physical escalation you don't just grab a woman's tits 2 seconds in, you obviously need to read the room before you make your moves

With sex talk you can technically go from zero to almost 100 wit certain gambits - but they are tricky to calibrate.
This gambit was one of them. It was used specifically for settings where I was short on time, including the smoking area of a major club where I had to do the job quickly, else girls will go back inside and disapear.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Makes sense. I think overkill comes when guys have "must-say" gambit or tech.

So they feel the need to say it all the time(probably cause it works really well) rather than calibrate

And you're right... you can absolutely talk about and sex, female and sexual dynamics in a chill way without being dogmatic with gambit

Oh lol. I am sooo guilty of this. New gambits are always 10x more exciting right?

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Can you guys provide examples of verbally sexualizing the interactions without the gambits provided on GirlsChase?

Last FR at the bar I had some very good interactions with really attractive girls, touch was used well and often, although other people who commented said I lacked verbal escalation, looking back, it makes sense why it didn’t feel right to go for makeout or pull there and then.

Some that come to mind.

Alek's 10th Anniversary! (Featuring Glow, Hot Girls & Juicy Material!)
Note: A long and detailed report with tons of great sex talk. Includes the "8 types of Orgasm Gambit" as well as "display of lowkeyness" and a version of the "narrative gambit".,

How to Use Sex Talk, Part II: Case Study
Note: A great report that covers some very explicit sex-talk. It uses the "Bdsm" sex gambit, which is Pablo's (Pablo Garcia's) go-to gambit. It also involves the "sex is unfair" gambit as well as other ASD-Busters. I also use the "good sex/bad sex gambit. Overall great report.

Indirect Club Game Just After LOCKDOWN (A Case Study)
Note: The longest report in the history of the community. It is obnoxiously detailed. Covers tons of sex talk. It involves the "good lover" gambit as well as the "seducing men VS women". It also involves the common ASD-Busters ("being the seuxally liberated guy") as well as other unique situational sex talk gambits.

Pulling Off a Lay When You’re Sick & Dog-Tired: A Report
Note: Cool report from Bulgaria. Great sex talking covering some unique sex talk gambits not covered elsewhere. A tight and straight-forward cookie/cutter game execution.

Although some will likely contain gambits based on themes covered in my gambit articles, although phrased differently. A good showcase that I free-style more than people may think from readng my articles - and also "proof" that articles are just versions to examplify the gambits.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

If a girl is dtf/green why bother except to screen if she is not autist or won’t feel guilty about casual sex.

Sex talk is the autist crack. Just get super scientific about it and you will be talking her language.

Nothing like a hot autist (hautist?)

-Teevster