Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[Orchard]

... is this trolling?

Sadly Bob, no.

 

[Atlas IV]

I like this discussion.

Throwing in my 2c, sex talk has always been a net positive for me. It's one of those things that's worth revising to have a few key gambits (AND possible transitions) committed to muscle memory.

Otherwise you'll be in-field or on a date and just end up in platonic conversation that goes nowhere because you can't remember how you were supposed to steer the conversation towards sexual topics.

As a real life example, I recently posted in my journal about how I had a rather fruitless few weeks of gaming in China with locals where I was trying a style of compliance-based "game" (if you will call it that) that involves no sexualizing whatsoever (physical or verbal), believing it was more appropriate to the environment.

Surprise surprise, girls would not come back home with me. Why would they? I intentionally communicated nothing sexual to them.

So I ditched that material and went back to using a mix of physical escalation + sex talk with fractionation, and my results came back.

For me, that's all the evidence I need. But to bring the experiment full circle, on my next trip there (very soon) I will use this same style of sexualizing and compare my results to last time. That, for me at least, will prove the efficacy of sexual framing, and I think I already know what the conclusion will be.

 

[Atlas IV]

PSS:

This song literally popped into my head just yesterday. I still remembered the entire thing. SO effing catchy lol "Shut up woman get on my horse"

 

[ChrisXKiss]

I’ve always liked the idea of sex talk and have used it, the thing I struggled to understand though is how indirect it really is.

To me at least talking about sex with a girl I am out with or I have approached and isolated is a clear indication that this is what I would like with her too.

Probably that’s good because it sets a man to woman frame, my question is how much a girl listens to it and thinks: “Lol, he is trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it, so obvious”, and feels you are chasing her indirectly.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I think I started skipping it sometimes and doing things non verbally, or by talking about topics alluding to sex without mentioning sex, because I felt I will escape the pressure that is created when the topic is verbalised and she thinks: “Ok now if we get alone it will clearly lead to sex, it’s almost expected by me at this point”, and then bails.

Basically I want to understand if there are times when even the most basic sex talk could harm you, not overusing it but maybe just mentioning the topic of sex, and it’s better to skip it altogether.

 

[empath]

Okay cool and yet..you recently lose s lay by no addressing fuck and dump aka second gen

I just rushed the things due to lack of time

there was not enough comfort created for me to escalate.

She was the one who doing sex talk with me tbh.

but yeah should have had ran that stranger vs lover gambit

overall bad game on my part

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Some that come to mind.

Alek's 10th Anniversary! (Featuring Glow, Hot Girls & Juicy Material!)
Note: A long and detailed report with tons of great sex talk. Includes the "8 types of Orgasm Gambit" as well as "display of lowkeyness" and a version of the "narrative gambit".,

How to Use Sex Talk, Part II: Case Study
Note: A great report that covers some very explicit sex-talk. It uses the "Bdsm" sex gambit, which is Pablo's (Pablo Garcia's) go-to gambit. It also involves the "sex is unfair" gambit as well as other ASD-Busters. I also use the "good sex/bad sex gambit. Overall great report.

Indirect Club Game Just After LOCKDOWN (A Case Study)
Note: The longest report in the history of the community. It is obnoxiously detailed. Covers tons of sex talk. It involves the "good lover" gambit as well as the "seducing men VS women". It also involves the common ASD-Busters ("being the seuxally liberated guy") as well as other unique situational sex talk gambits.

Pulling Off a Lay When You’re Sick & Dog-Tired: A Report
Note: Cool report from Bulgaria. Great sex talking covering some unique sex talk gambits not covered elsewhere. A tight and straight-forward cookie/cutter game execution.

Although some will likely contain gambits based on themes covered in my gambit articles, although phrased differently. A good showcase that I free-style more than people may think from readng my articles - and also "proof" that articles are just versions to examplify the gambits.

-Teevster

Thank you, will give these a look for my upcoming nightgame session tonight, going sober again

 

[Teevster]

Thank you, will give these a look for my upcoming nightgame session tonight, going sober again

The truest form of nightgame!

PS: there used to be many more reports by me, but most were written on mASF (pre 2010) and on sedfast/nextASF prior to the formation of this forum. I did repost some of the older ones here, but I cannot retrieve the link.

-Teevster

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

The truest form of nightgame!

PS: there used to be many more reports by me, but most were written on mASF (pre 2010) and on sedfast/nextASF prior to the formation of this forum. I did repost some of the older ones here, but I cannot retrieve the link.

-Teevster

Main goal of tonight is to escalate using sex talk, I'm fine with physical touch, but need to work more on nightgame venues without as much dancing

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Main goal of tonight is to escalate using sex talk, I'm fine with physical touch, but need to work more on nightgame venues without as much dancing

Right now sex talk seems a tad uncomfortable to me, just have to rip the bandaid open, talking to random girls used to be uncomfortable to me, now I get a random kick out of it

Yesterday I was chatting with a girl in the gym talking about how men's asses, particularly well developed ones are attractive, so even I know girls are open to talking about this kind of stuff, just have to escalate it while painting her reality

 

[Spike]

Lol, he is trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it, so obvious”, and feels you are chasing her indirectly.

the process for successful seductions for men and women generally goes like this

girl sees guy she thinks is attractive.
girl wonders if guy thinks she is attractive. to find out she’ll either send signals. overt or subtle. to show him she finds him attractive.

the guy either picks up that signal or doesn’t. and either:

- approaches himself
- sends her a signal that he notices her signal and indicates to her that it’s safe to approach him. because he does find her attractive. this can be achieved with a look in the eyes, a smile, or wink. she then has the choice of either:

- approaching him herself. now that it’s safe for her to do so. or
- she returns the signal right back at him. with a smile or look in her eyes. telling him that it’s safe for him to approach her. and he does.

now flirting and getting to know each other on a superficial level begins

it’s somewhere between this point. where flirting begins and her going home with you that she makes the decision. “i want to go home with this guy”. or “i want to fuck this guy but not tonight because i don’t want to seem easy”

the thought “lol he’s trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it” should not occur in her head if the mating ritual was followed. therefore if that is what she’s thinking when you begin to talk about sex. it’s a matter of her not actually being attracted to you (misreading her signals) or your flirting leading up to sex talk was off. a mix of either being too cocky or too boring.

 

[Skills]

I like this discussion.

Throwing in my 2c, sex talk has always been a net positive for me. It's one of those things that's worth revising to have a few key gambits (AND possible transitions) committed to muscle memory.

Otherwise you'll be in-field or on a date and just end up in platonic conversation that goes nowhere because you can't remember how you were supposed to steer the conversation towards sexual topics.

As a real life example, I recently posted in my journal about how I had a rather fruitless few weeks of gaming in China with locals where I was trying a style of compliance-based "game" (if you will call it that) that involves no sexualizing whatsoever (physical or verbal), believing it was more appropriate to the environment.

Surprise surprise, girls would not come back home with me. Why would they? I intentionally communicated nothing sexual to them.

So I ditched that material and went back to using a mix of physical escalation + sex talk with fractionation, and my results came back.

For me, that's all the evidence I need. But to bring the experiment full circle, on my next trip there (very soon) I will use this same style of sexualizing and compare my results to last time. That, for me at least, will prove the efficacy of sexual framing, and I think I already know what the conclusion will be.

Yes i always said in dates would be stupid not to... In my how to date i specially instruct to do on 3rd bounce pre pull... But again night game different than date..

 

[Skills]

I’ve always liked the idea of sex talk and have used it, the thing I struggled to understand though is how indirect it really is.

To me at least talking about sex with a girl I am out with or I have approached and isolated is a clear indication that this is what I would like with her too.

Probably that’s good because it sets a man to woman frame, my question is how much a girl listens to it and thinks: “Lol, he is trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it, so obvious”, and feels you are chasing her indirectly.

Not sure if that makes sense, but I think I started skipping it sometimes and doing things non verbally, or by talking about topics alluding to sex without mentioning sex, because I felt I will escape the pressure that is created when the topic is verbalised and she thinks: “Ok now if we get alone it will clearly lead to sex, it’s almost expected by me at this point”, and then bails.

Basically I want to understand if there are times when even the most basic sex talk could harm you, not overusing it but maybe just mentioning the topic of sex, and it’s better to skip it altogether.

I have a specific post on this:

Cases were second generation verbals such as sex talk and sexting does not work (sex talk/sexting troubleshooting) - The Skills Method

First sex talk/sexting is a misleading term because sex talk is not “I want my cock deep inside your pussy and bust all over your face” (though this could actually … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[KJ Francis]

Nothing like a hot autist (hautist?)

Or a haute hautist

 

[Teevster]

Main goal of tonight is to escalate using sex talk, I'm fine with physical touch, but need to work more on nightgame venues without as much dancing

Well, in such a case it really boils down to venue selection. Whether you pick the right venue will have huge implications for your outcome.

Getting ready myself as we speak!

Good luck tonight.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Or a haute hautist

Lol. Actually, "haute" means "high" in french - but it is always used when discussing food, couture, or luxury goods. I think the definition you linked to is mislealing.

eg.

Haute cuisine - High cuisine
Haute couture - High couture
etc...

But you wouldnt say "high autist?".

Anyway, not gonna nitpick.

-Teevster

 

[KJ Francis]

the thing I struggled to understand though is how indirect it really is.

To me at least talking about sex with a girl I am out with or I have approached and isolated is a clear indication that this is what I would like with her too.

Probably that’s good because it sets a man to woman frame, my question is how much a girl listens to it and thinks: “Lol, he is trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it, so obvious”, and feels you are chasing her indirectly.

This is a good read

Indirect Club Game Just After LOCKDOWN (A Case Study)

What does skillful indirect game look like, when used to pick up girls? This case study follows a successful indirect club game pick up, from open to close. As I’m about to close my series on indirect game, I’ve decided to share a report to serve as an example of how I use this game style. In...

www.girlschase.com

Very different than screening game

The opener was an active disqualifier, as in disqualifying yourself as a suitor (like negging does).

Note he does not start showing interest in her (an attention seeking girl shooting down guys in succession) until well into the isolation stage.

In the M3 model, qualification is before moving her (so she earns your interest first). In the case above it came after, but note he did not ask her to move. He started leaving her to smoke and she invited herself along. So her interest had started before his qualification of her (indirect game).

You make a good point though. Why would you be sex talking if not for the implication of interest in sex with her? But there is no actual interest telegraphed toward her even in the early sex talk. It seems like one benefit is in being able to talk about it like any other subject without the aspect of projecting it onto the two of you. That is very non-needy.

 

[KJ Francis]

Lol. Actually, "haute" means "high" in french - but it is always used when discussing food, couture, or luxury goods. I think the definition you linked to is mislealing.

eg.

Haute cuisine - High cuisine
Haute couture - High couture
etc...

But you wouldnt say "high autist?".

Anyway, not gonna nitpick.

-Teevster

Ohh that's interesting. I did not know this but have heard the phrase "high fashion". Makes sense it would have come from French

 

[Teevster]

Ohh that's interesting. I did not know this but have heard the phrase "high fashion". Makes sense it would have come from French

French is a brain twister. Only way to learn it properly is to be exposed to it by living in a french speaking country.

-Teevster

 

[Spike]

Very different than screening game

if you break it down to its bare essence. it follows the same mating ritual.

- approached the girl at pulloclock. which we’ve already established is 1-2 hours before they close the venue.

- girl lets him know she is attracted to him.

he approached her cousin and then she interrupted him saying , “she has a boyfriend”

guy lets her know that he is attracted to her.

he said, “thats fine. because i actually came over to talk to you”.

this makes her happy and now flirting begins

- jokingly referring to himself as a bad boy
- curiosity baiting her
- using smoking as an excuse to go outside and smoke.
- sex talk commences.

no “lol he’s obviously trying to get into my pants” thoughts because the mating ritual has been followed.

- she pulls him into the bathroom stall wanting to fuck. he breaks it off for fear of getting banned from the venue.

which as a side note, i don’t think is true. because i had sex in one venue 2 months ago. and was fucking a girl pass closing hours. and the bar staff kept knocking on our door to tell us to get out. i showed up to the venue the following week and one of the bar staff members gave me a fist bump, saying “my man” -

 

[Definitely_not_a_gymrat]

Well, in such a case it really boils down to venue selection. Whether you pick the right venue will have huge implications for your outcome.

Yessir definitely true, in the nearby town, my friends and I frequented one bar, last time we went to another bar 5 mins away, turns out it’s better even though it’s “less exclusive.”

Getting ready myself as we speak!

Good luck tonight.

-Teevster

Thanks brother, good luck to you too! Although I may push back to tomorrow night, got other things I may have to do.