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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Just did a bootcamp and it was awesome. 10/10 would Rec.
So my goals are to go out twice a week and approach 10 girls maybe more each night. I have no problem approaching now. I learned that not every girl can be hooked in. I also want to get some day time approaches in so when I’m out I set my goal to at least 2.
 

Velasco

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Aim to hook a girl you're attracted to rather than having a fixed number of girls you want to approach on a particular night. If it takes 10 then so be it. you'll learn better/faster that way.
 

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DAY TIME TRY:

I felt like shit after all of these, or maybe just super unlucky.

coffee shop:
I wanted to grab some coffee at this new place thought I would check it out because it was my day off. Scoped the area oh there’s potential, black haired cutie. Grab my coffee. She’s sitting by the window seal with her computer and there’s an empty chair near her (it’s the only empty chair there nice!) I go up to there I ask “is this chair taken?” She says no and goes back to her work. As I sit down I’m like “so what you working on?”
Her: work
Me: really on a day off? that’s a bummer
Her: yup
Me; where do you work?
Her: at a place
Me; oh very mysterious (should have said oh you must be batwoman I won’t tell anyone)
Me: I’ve always wanted to check this place out it because I went to it in LA
Her: nods head..
Me: quietly sitting there on my phone. Damn then I leave after I finish my coffee.

walk around to go back to my car and stop by walgreens
I need some toothpaste.

See a cute Brunnette Hispanic maybe Asian girl in my aisle!
NICE

me: looking for toothpaste, you wouldn’t happen to know where the whitening toothpaste is right there’s so muchcrap here.
Her; actually I’m looking at that right now!
she hands it to me.
I then look at her and smile (fuck I approached this girl at the bar a few weeks back and she totally hated me after i mentioned porn in our convo, so I’m gonna pretend I’ve never met her before she might have been drunk maybe? Idk who am I tryna shit)
Me: thanks ! Are you from around here?
Her: yea!
Me: nice where at!
Her: this area
Me: oh word no way me too, have you always stayed in this area
Her: no I moved in from Nebraska,
Me: what a move, why all the way here though?
Her: I’m working here actually! At tech company
Me: oh you must be like a hacker and tryna get everyone’s info
Her: no I work with them
Me: that’s cool, I do some of that myself
Her: yeah
I introduce myself and she does to and she shake hands
Me: buyin toothpaste eh, lemme guess you didn’t brush this morning, smirk laughing
Her: hah WOW okay.
Her: okay well nice to meet ya gotta go bye
Me: alright catch ya later !

vanilla
 

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Aim to hook a girl you're attracted to rather than having a fixed number of girls you want to approach on a particular night. If it takes 10 then so be it. you'll learn better/faster that way.
Thanks for the response. I realized with girls I don’t actually like, the interaction is just bland for me. I’m doing all the right things but I end up leaving the convo because I want to find someone better. I’ll change it to approaching 10 girls I find interesting!
 

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Night time:

memorable approaches
Tiny girl
She’s with her friend looks like their watching something at the bar
I get into their view and try to watch it but their so fixated with talking to each other. So I accidentally bump into them because some d-bag was drunk. It kinda forced me to talk to them.
Me: Oh man so sorry, (she saw that guy push everyone)
Her: oh it’s okay!
Me: so what are you guys celebrating tonight ?
Her: just life! And your birthday party!
Me: aw you guys really did come out thank you so much!
Her: yup we were tryna keep it a surprise but surprise
Me: thank you so much, I go in for the hug and she hugs back.
I’m turning 69 this is awesome.
Her: wow that’s an old age!
Me: it’s a great number too!
I introduce myself to both of them so the friend knows I’m cool!
Me: so what do you do?
Her: shrugs, I don’t know! WORK!
Me: ooooh you’re a secret agent right, don’t worry I won’t tell anyone here
Her: wait what was your name again?
Me: I’m Batman don’t tell anyone okay?
Her: ahh starts laughing
we then start fucking around and talking and I just grab her hand and talk about her rings and start playing with her hand and she loves it nice!
I then try to hold her hand after playing with it but she pulls back.
I ask her if she works out and touch her bicep and she said I’m flexing
I said are you!? Flex flex!
I like this convo it’s fun flirty and there’s touching.
Can’t deep dive her but oh well.
She said she’s a very secretive person.
Idk what that means. Doesn’t sound good
Me: Ah don’t worry I won’t l won’t tell your family about our honey moon
Her: she’s laughing and loves it
Me: where we going btw
Her: tuvalo
Me: oh what where’s that
Her; take your phone out google it
Me: (this is smooth transition to get her number)
Me: looks it up, oh yeah I like this place now you’re totally making me imagine you in a bikini, don’t get any ideas now
Her: laughing
Me: well do this for me put ur # and we can grab grub.
Her: I don’t give my number out like that. I’ll give you my instagram
Me: (what tf?) sure. She gives me one of her throw away accounts like her name and then photo with like 100 followers am I being played rn.

we then talk about soccer because she watches it and so do it.
Her friend and her both say they gotta run now and I give her a hug and say text ya later!

pretty good convo and kino. But I’m sensing some
Mad resistance.

later that night:
Different girl
Crowded hallway we pass by but the crowd kinda forces us into each other so
Me: hi!
Her: hi there!
Me: how’s ya..

her guy friend “hey buddy she likes taller guys you don’t stand a chance with her”
Then drags her

then I say, oh man we got a White night here and walk away
He gets mad and starts yelling at me lol. But the girls drag him away.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything law of least effort right? or I guess I was in the position of low effort because I walked away?
 

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Well look who decided to show up to the partay ;)

Cool to have ya bro,

Alright here's a few notes...

She’s sitting by the window seal with her computer and there’s an empty chair near her (it’s the only empty chair there nice!) I go up to there I ask “is this chair taken?” She says no and goes back to her work. As I sit down I’m like “so what you working on?”
Her: work
Me: really on a day off? that’s a bummer
Her: yup
Me; where do you work?
Her: at a place
Me; oh very mysterious (should have said oh you must be batwoman I won’t tell anyone)
Me: I’ve always wanted to check this place out it because I went to it in LA
Her: nods head..
Me: quietly sitting there on my phone. Damn then I leave after I finish my coffee.
Probably a better strategy here (since she looked genuinely focused on work) may been instead of asking the boring question every guy would ask "what cha workin on?!"... Instead just sit down, smile, and go play with your phone casually like your busy. Then when u finish your task but a bored look on your face and act like you're just now noticing her as being attractive ping her not with a question but with an assumptive statement and see if she bites... Something like "ah you're really working hard over there on a Saturday, ... hmm lets see here. With the intensity you've got its Either the next big social media startup or your next NY times bestseller. Which is it?"

Something like that so you stand out more for A) not being immediately eager to talk to the hot girl (like your not even interested until u take a 2nd look) and B) you don't just ask some boring question and instead just ping her to entertain yourself.

Then if she responds well good. If she's just short and smiles (and genuinely working hard and not interested) then shrug your shoulders, finish your coffee, and keep it moving.

See a cute Brunnette Hispanic maybe Asian girl in my aisle!
NICE

me: looking for toothpaste, you wouldn’t happen to know where the whitening toothpaste is right there’s so muchcrap here.
Her; actually I’m looking at that right now!
she hands it to me.
I then look at her and smile (fuck I approached this girl at the bar a few weeks back and she totally hated me after i mentioned porn in our convo, so I’m gonna pretend I’ve never met her before she might have been drunk maybe? Idk who am I tryna shit)
haha that's hilarious. Yeah it happens sometimes, god thats awkward. I once approached the same girl 4 seperate occaisons without realizing it was the same girl over the course of like 5 months. The 4th time I approached her I talked to her for 5 minutes before she was like " you really dont recognize me! Your always coming up and hitting on me at random places!"

Me: ... Oh. Yeah. I thought you looked familiar... What's your name again?
Her: *rolls eyes

It happens man. Just keep with the flow.

me: looking for toothpaste, you wouldn’t happen to know where the whitening toothpaste is right there’s so muchcrap here.
Her; actually I’m looking at that right now!
she hands it to me.
I then look at her and smile (fuck I approached this girl at the bar a few weeks back and she totally hated me after i mentioned porn in our convo, so I’m gonna pretend I’ve never met her before she might have been drunk maybe? Idk who am I tryna shit)
Me: thanks ! Are you from around here?
Her: yea!
Me: nice where at!
Her: this area
Me: oh word no way me too, have you always stayed in this area
Her: no I moved in from Nebraska,
Me: what a move, why all the way here though?
Her: I’m working here actually! At tech company
Me: oh you must be like a hacker and tryna get everyone’s info
Her: no I work with them
Me: that’s cool, I do some of that myself
Her: yeah
I introduce myself and she does to and she shake hands
Me: buyin toothpaste eh, lemme guess you didn’t brush this morning, smirk laughing
Her: hah WOW okay.
Her: okay well nice to meet ya gotta go bye
Me: alright catch ya later !
OK so I have hard time believing this is the conversation tech in action that Joe gave you.... Lets see here

Your attempts at flirting/teasing are actually negging here. Unless the girl is being a bitch, fiesty, or you can tell gets treated constantly like she's on a pedastal then you really want to not pull out the neg. It makes girls feel bad and is kinda douchy if a girl is otherwise nice to you.

The negs here being the "you must be a hacker stealing ppl's info" which becomes "you must be like the next female Elon Musk or something then if there moving you all the way from the other side of the country". Not perfect but much improved because in one your tearing her down, the other one your pushing her up. This communicates higher value as well.

As for the toothpaste implying she didn't brush and her breath smells like dog shit... not sure if I can turn "eh buying toothpaste huh" into anything better here. I guess you can remark on how its the modern age where everything is suppossed to be so easy but here we are in 2019 and I still have to go through 95 different toothpastes to find the right one. If she laughs your in.

Another option here is would be to flirt by saying something like "You know I do a lot of research, Im a really big science nerd. Would you believe I read a study the other day that said that couples that meet buying toothpaste have 200% whiter smiles than those that meet in the little debbie snack aisle?" Said with a big grin on your face.

You see how a big key to these interactions is self-amusement? Its a powerful vibe to have going about your day and interactions.

Me: looks it up, oh yeah I like this place now you’re totally making me imagine you in a bikini, don’t get any ideas now
Her: laughing
Me: well do this for me put ur # and we can grab grub.
Her: I don’t give my number out like that. I’ll give you my instagram
Good work so far on the night game interaction. Your flirting is very cheesy/gamey but it seems to work. Just be sure you're not overdoing it and sprinkling it in and focus more on being physical and fun.

Ok of course she didn't give u her # to the most gay way of getting a girls number that every guy does "can I have your number?" --> instead you be like "hey your really fun I actually like you. You don't seem like every other club/party girl. What you do for fun?... blah blah blah ... Ok tell you what we should go do XYZ fun thing together later this week. Say yes! ... Cool well here put your digits in my phone and I'll send you a text tomorrow and we'll set it up!"

her guy friend “hey buddy she likes taller guys you don’t stand a chance with her”
Then drags her

then I say, oh man we got a White night here and walk away
He gets mad and starts yelling at me lol. But the girls drag him away.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said anything law of least effort right? or I guess I was in the position of low effort because I walked away?
Na you did fine. Forget that cocksucker. Just keep it movin. Or go to better higher class venues lol
 

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But na man your doing great. Keep it up! Remember just focus on implementing the stuff from bootcamp. Keep pushing yourself out your comfort zone each time out. Try and push the interactions that are going good as far you possibly can (always be leading or closing). And focus on the process to the point where your just focused on executing and not getting hung up on the lay.

If your contunally going out, getting a little bit further each outing the lay will come. Once you get the first lay the 2nd lay will come even faster like you've unlocked "cold approach".

If you stay active posting on the field reports and taking notes from other guys mistakes/successes I guarantee it'll come even faster.

Oh and a shameless plug to model your verbals a bit after since I could see your style being similar to mine (overly confident/cocky humor) here are 2 old Lay reports from when I was in your shoes banging the guns still...

The Sadist and Terror In Miami
Cheers bro, Keep us posted
 

cruiser

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Thanks @Mr.Rob this info is BOMB.

Hey rob thanks so much for checking my homework no but seriously thanks for the feedback it means a lot! I take criticism real well and love it. I was also reading your field reports and BRO, it felt super similar.

I guess one thing is, I need to fix up the cheesy and gamey vibe. Not sure how to be not cheesy. Also I'm real hung up on something. 1) I notice you didn't use much sex talk, you were being just a cool ass dude (esp with the Miami Asian girl) so I'm conflicted on to do it or not or to just feel it out? 2) you should always have goals going out to further it out I agree. I guess I can move on from 10 approaches and focus on being less cheesy and more moving around ? Thanks again man
 

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Summary: Interesting night but frustrating, just gotta tough it through that’s how you become GOOD. I really wanted to throw the towel in tonight but no that’s what wimps and pussies do. Like Joe said I need to have thick skin and have fun with it. I flipped my attitude and started having fun with it! It was getting draining but I’m holding it together.

I think tonight I approached like 15 women, and here are the memorable ones.

First approach was super solid. I was just going in as a warm up thought it was some basic girl but she’s actually hella cute and blonde and glasses.
I get buddy to talk to her other friend and then he disappears(he texts me later that the girl was a psycho )
I get her talking 80% and she’s just talking about her love of photos and all that. I’m thinking wow I’m barely saying anything just yeah yeah.
Then her body language starts to get a little closed her arms are crossed. Hmmm why she closed now. So I call her out on it actually.
Me: haha damn you really do hate me like your body language is just soo closed I’m trying here haha
Her; oh sorry I’m just super tired (arms still crossed oh well)
It’s really annoying because her friend keeps whispering in her ear “are you okay do you need saving?” And she’s like no it’s fine he’s cool. This happens every 1 minute this other bitch is super insecure. The next time she does it I say, haha I can hear you, you know I’m not a serial killer, only in daylight so it’s night time so we’re okay for now haha
My girl laughs and the other one just stares at me like a crazy one and then laughs.
Uh oh this girl IS psycho.
Talk more with this girl and her friends say she’s going to the bathroom wanna come?
My girl says no, WOW that’s awesome!
We chat and I start playing with her hands and earrings it’s good kino.

She’s about to leave and go home (it’s only 10)
I say hey you’re pretty cool honestly I kinda like you, we vibe really well. Let’s grab some grub sometime!
I start to pull out my phone and this girl immediately says no I’m good thanks see ya.
fk it it’s the first approach I got the rest of the night...



Two light skin black girls they were really fun!
Me: hey y’all what are we celebrating tonight
Them: life!
Me; smirking I love it it’s Saturday just tryna enjoy the weekend, interesting little Fanny pack we have here!
The prettier one (these girls were crazy thick like in the right places): ah stop it you and she touches my chest
Me: I fuck with it, the 90s style kinda throw back
Introduce myself to them and they’re really cool and fun
I ask wyd
Idr lmao
Her; what do you do?
Me: I’m a porn star actually
They are geeked and start smiling and laughing wooooow (she touches me chest) she does this a lot in this interaction it’s absurd like every time I say something
Me: it’s hard work with a wink(fuck this is kinda cheesy or gamey...but it’s just so funny, is it sexy idk I was being tryna be fun)
Her: she literally starts yelling ooooh shit this guys gotta big dick big dick alert.
It gets other girls attention this is so freaking funny. It’ll come up later in another interaction.
Me: now let’s calm down there, I never said that
We then deep dive into her about her relationships and I find out that she’s the more aggressive type the one that always takes charge.
I’m kinda turned off at this point I like submissive and there’s no way I was gonna try hard to change that about her.
I can’t remember what or where this came from but it went to
Her; I’m 30 I’m probably too told for you
Me; it’s okay I usually go older
Me: I don’t think we should really be talking my 3rd gf might see us and get mad.
She touches me in the chest and starts to get closer to me.
Her: oooooh mister popular here hahaha.
I get bored and I’m warmed up for a girl I’m more into so I leave and venture off

While I’m standing there this really ugly Indian chick comes and starts touching me and slapping my Ass. Okay cool. She tries talking to me but she’s a drunk fuck and I’m not interested at all. Like my dick is so soft. She tries to unsexily grind with me I say I gotta use the bathroom sorry.

finally a cute filipino girl,
She’s in a group
Approach group and they love me and I introduce myself blah blah blah, I’m cool and fun and then I isolate to the pretty filipino girl
She’s totally my type I’m into it she’s shy and doesn’t party a lot (bingooo)
Interaction is going solid I could escalate soon.
All of a sudden that drunk bitch comes back yells at me! “Go talk to fucking white girls you whore dance with them mother fucker”
I play it cool, whose she talking to? I’ve never seen her in my life.. the girls shrug and I’m still mad vining with this chick.
Then the Indian bitch comes back and talks with one of her friends and then drags the cute filipino girl away and they all start body blocking me protecting her. Wtf is going on who is this bitch really?

I’ll come back to this chick after I use the bathroom no worries.
I do a round and pretend I’m ordering a drink and look bored as hell and then notice her like 2/3 min later I said oh hey it’s you again!
We talk pretty well and I’m kinda playing with her hand now.
I see her friend and she pulls a guy and tells him “go save her” the guy comes in and pushes me like literally grabs me and pushes me. Wtf cocksucker( my new favorite word thanks Rob) you want my dick too? I love it !! I don’t fight back I smirk and laugh and just go on my phone (wtf is going on) thank god I gave up drinking or I’d have this guy fucked up rn...I need a new venue fuck this place.

Go downstairs and run into some buddies from college. I love these guys. One of them asks bro you wanna go see this dj tonight? I said fuck yeah bro let’s go right now
Okay cool I’m with this guy, he can be a wingman , new venue I’m liking this energy rn.

This guy kev is cool, but he’s not seducer cool. It’s okay he’s gotta work on it.

Huge venue, better tons of cute girls I like it.
We’re by the bar
See a cute girl with Fanny pack.
Act bored I see her kinda staring at me / space I turn super slow and notice her fanny pack first then smirk and look up at her.
Hey cute Fanny pack, I dig it.
Her; omg haha thanks it’s great for raves.
Me: yea you can store like a lotta cool stuff in there !
Her; I know right
Introduce myself and herself
Me: so you from around here
Her; no I’m 30 min away, I’m a student
Me: no way what you study
Her: architecture
Me; oh word, so they’re building a new White House are you in charge of that, cab you make it so that there’s a secret dungeon to throw underground rave parties in
Her: haha
Me: so you got a favorite architect style
Her; idk man idk

This convo simmers down like wtf is she dumb
So my friend is by himself I feel kinda bad but I’m here for my self improvement so fuck it I’m still hangin with him. He starts shuffling( he’s actually pretty good at it like he’s vibing hard) the girl gets soooo interested by his shuffling and goes over to him and starts shuffling)
Did kev just steal my girl ? I mean hey I’m not gonna stop her and try talking to her while she’s dancing wtf) and kev hasn’t had a girl since like his breakup 8 months ago, nice dude go for it now I don’t gotta worry about you.
I walk around the venue and just try to spot kev and the girl and legit they are just shuffling the entire time hahaha.

Cute blonde bad bitch skinny
This girl is gorgeous, like damn. But I don’t get approach anxiety anymore because fuck you.

Some bright lights come off the stage, I Shield my eyes and face her, oh man these lights are actually really cool but super bright
Her; I know they’re super cool tho
I introduce myself and she does too. Cool she’s friendly and hot AF. Nice ass body.

Me: you’ve actually got one of the sexiest senses of styles in here!
Her; thank you so much I really do care about my fashion.
We talk about fashion and Milan and travel. I’m holding her waist as I do this.
Me: you said you were single right?
Her; hmmm i don’t know I think I am, I came with this guy but idk where he went I’m from NY and visiting the weekend but you’re really cute
Me; (hmmm, fuck it I’m down) I move her towards the back of the Venue. And we dance a little bit. Then I guess the guy she was with puts his arm in the middle, hey buddy that’s mine. I’m still holding this girls hand and he grabs her from me and they start making out like crazy)

Damn. um. cocksucker. I feel a little defeated here, but the best thing to do is write about this and move on. fuck up? Not sure. I guess this is a lesson to be aggressive? Or I’m not sure. did I just give up my girl? Damn that’s totally not alpha or sexy of me. Well I guess she was kinda crazy maybe she was lying. Fuck it move on.

Filipino chick
This girl wasn’t all too cute but I looked around and it was late 3 am and all the other girls were busted or taken.
She’s looking all over the ground.
Me: ah we’re looking for treasure right? I found an X over there I’m sorry I took the treasure
Her; noooo I’m looking for my phone!! I lost it
Me: haha let’s call it and see
Her : okay!
Me; is this your smooth way of tryna get my number I see you
Her; haha sure yeah you’re cute why not
(insert thumbs up photo of your dad being proud of you)
We try to find her phone but looks like it got stolen and they won’t pick up.
I ask her so who’d you come here with?
Her; myself!
Me: oh neat I came with one of my buddies but he’s busy ;) hey let’s go dance it’s just a phone u can replace it.
I’m dancing with her just hand holding and spinning around it’s fun.

*im really thankful I wasn’t going overboard here wow

Me; hey you’re cool let’s keep hangin out Let’s get outta here
Her: she tells me she doesn’t go home with strangers.
Me; oh we’re not friends that’s too sad
A sad song comes up next and she starts balling out...uh okay?
She hugs me and is crying wtf is going on. Stop being stupid let’s go have fun.
She talks about her ex bf and some stuff that happened but I can’t hear most of it and I really don’t wanna talk about it so I just nod and respond oh yea okay oh okay yeah.

I leave her cuz I’m getting this really weird vibe from her now (I will thank myself hard later)
Go and find kev
He’s still fucking shuffling with this girl wtf this guys for 2 hours just shuffled hey man
You do you! He’s so awesome hahaha. I then see the girl I was just with start trying to shuffle with him too and he starts to grab her hands and dance with her too.

Hahahahahaha well I didn’t tell him and the girl is aight so I’m fine.

Last approach of the night. Cuz literally everyone else is just beat up.

Me: sweet fucking jacket, let’s start a rock band, but I’ll be the drummer.
Her: Omg thank you so much and I’m down except I’ll be the bass girl.
I flirt with her and then she pulls her phone out.
Fuck me there’s her and a dude in her photo.
I say oh nice is that your bf?
Her; oh he’ll no..that’s my girlfriend I’m gay
(Awwwww mannnn cmon maybe that explains the cool manly leather jacket and why I liked it)
Talk about if she’s serious about it but I’m a fucking flirt so I say corny shit like oh we’re not gonna tell her. She likes it. Tell her I’ll be back.
I say I’ll be back and go back to kev and his damn shuffling circle with the two chicks.
Stay there for a while and notice the lesbo chick keeps looking my direction. Hmmmm does she want the dick tonight? It’s cool you can switch tonight might cancel your wedding plans tho with your girlfriend after you and me have some fun. When she’s looking at me I make eye contact and start dancing with one of kevs chicks, I wanna try this jealousy thing. Dance with the girl for 5 min. And peek her direction she’s looking.

Go back to her and it’s a bland convo so I leave.


show is over it’s me kev and the Filipino girl. Turns out this girl has to go to the ER every time she has sex. She also said she was in a abusive relationship and bad things happens to her. She said she told me this earlier..oh duh maybe I should have listened. Idk she might be bluffing but I don’t care I don’t wanna deal with this shit. I’m out dodged a fat bullet, called her sister to pick her up she got this ciao!


Interesting night. but I’m leading interactions a tiny bit more every night. Cool :)

On the real note going out is tiring like this. I feel like I’m getting closer and closer and/or super super unlucky when I do. I’m gonna tough this through with the good words of Rob and Joe and go out with a GOAL. I met my goal last night of trying to escalate more
 

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I guess one thing is, I need to fix up the cheesy and gamey vibe. Not sure how to be not cheesy. Also I'm real hung up on something. 1) I notice you didn't use much sex talk, you were being just a cool ass dude (esp with the Miami Asian girl) so I'm conflicted on to do it or not or to just feel it out? 2) you should always have goals going out to further it out I agree. I guess I can move on from 10 approaches and focus on being less cheesy and more moving around ? Thanks again man
Well being cheesy/gamey isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can totally have cheesy/gamey game and get results. Just want to make sure its not too much or over the top. You fall into the fun/party guy zone rather than the sexy fun guy.

1) Sex talk. Hmm. Is this something Joe taught on bootcamp? Sex talk is somewhat an advanced topic to learn and get good at. Alek Rolstad is your man here if that's what you want to learn. But its not necessary. Chase teaches strong fundamentals to build sexual tension. If there's good tension you don't need sex talk to make her horny.

2) Yeah its good to have some objectives for each outing. I personally like to have one requirement (such as approach 10 girls or ask every girl I have a 5 minute convo with to move OR ask 3 girls to come home with me). I like to have one fundamental to work on (such as eye contact or voice or posture etc.) usually whatever fundamental needs the most addressing. And then I'll have one piece of tech to work on such as deep diving or chase framing or physicality etc.

Make sure its more measurable than "be less cheesy" or "more moving around". That's super vague. But "move every girl I have a 5 min. interaction with" or "use 1 chase frame with every girl I hook in convo" is much better. You can look at the list at the end of the night and be like "yes I did that" whereas if you have vague goals its just like "I kinda did that so I'll check it off".

Here are some examples of Chase:
Cheat Sheet 1
  • Talk to ten new women
  • Screen and qualify at least three women
Cheat Sheet Example 2
  • Move every girl talked to for more than five or six minutes
  • Get a kiss
But yeah goals are great way to progress.

Summary: Interesting night but frustrating, just gotta tough it through that’s how you become GOOD. I really wanted to throw the towel in tonight but no that’s what wimps and pussies do. Like Joe said I need to have thick skin and have fun with it. I flipped my attitude and started having fun with it! It was getting draining but I’m holding it together.
I think you did great there man.

You know your invested now financially and with the time you've but in. If you stick with it and put in the time to get good you'll have a skillset to do things with women most men only dream about. You'll never have to worry about dumbass scarcity problems with girls most guys deal with. You'll have rock solid unshakeable confidence.

But you do have to pay the price to get good and win. Its takes some discipline but once you make it a habit its no big deal. Your already having fun doing it so the hard part is behind you. All you gotta do is keep putting one foot in front of the other and make sure you stay improving that 1% each time.

Staying active on the forums here and keeping active on the field reports seeing what other guys better than you are doing is key to staying motivated and pushing yourself.

Hope to follow your journey here man. Remember 60% or more of guys drop off a few weeks after bootcamp and never get good. The difference between them and the winners is discipline. Its just the decision to see it through the end.

Don't burn yourself out but don't give up.

Keep it pimpin,
-Rob
 

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Well being cheesy/gamey isn't necessarily a bad thing. You can totally have cheesy/gamey game and get results. Just want to make sure its not too much or over the top. You fall into the fun/party guy zone rather than the sexy fun guy.

1) Sex talk. Hmm. Is this something Joe taught on bootcamp? Sex talk is somewhat an advanced topic to learn and get good at. Alek Rolstad is your man here if that's what you want to learn. But its not necessary. Chase teaches strong fundamentals to build sexual tension. If there's good tension you don't need sex talk to make her horny.
I think I'm hitting one of those a ha! moments. It's all coming together now. I don't want to be the fun/party guy but the sexy fun guy.(probably explains why a few girls I used to see when I try to meet up with them again I've been getting this exact same message "Hey it was really fun hanging with you, but I'm not interested." and then sometimes they will mention how they will be seeing someone else....ok...but its a common occurrence for me) all due to me being a bit over the top with sex talk. I'll stay away from it as of now. It'll be a little challenging because that was like 50% of my convos on dates and I felt like it separated me from the rest of the guys because they were too scared to talk about it.

1) I need to find that article and look at my notes and see how the fun/party guy differ from the sexy fun guy and where I can implement that.

and NO it is not what JOE taught, and it's what I noticed about him too in his interactions, he was just being a cool motherfucker. I will tone down my sex talk and not bring it up quite yet or gauge how the convo is going. Maybe that's why I lost a few perspectives in the following 2 weekends. Sex talk has brought me some pretty cool success, but I do like the idea of having strong fundamentals that naturally build sexual tension and keeping a girl longer than a week or so...note to self, drop sex talk for now, or dial it back 90%.

Joe did however talk about sexual tension, and I am going to refer to my notes for that.

You know your invested now financially and with the time you've but in. If you stick with it and put in the time to get good you'll have a skillset to do things with women most men only dream about. You'll never have to worry about dumbass scarcity problems with girls most guys deal with. You'll have rock solid unshakeable confidence.
Thanks for that man, I needed that. I'm gonna push through, I've got that drive going because of these journal entries and reading everyone's stories and you and Joe especially. I'm in a dry season right now, the 2 girls I used to see a few times dropped me, but its okay because I wasn't too crazy on them and I can do way better. I'm kinda glad its dry right now because it makes me more hungry to do better. I've gotten great at approaching and hooking has been better, now it's just some small stuff, I can smell the prize, I'm coming. Also as Hector quotes " be more of a savage "
 

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Also, I used to get a lot of LMR when I wasn't using sex talk. That's when I switched to sex talk. and my LMR went remarkably down, like crazy. That's when I defaulted to it. But then again, I never really involved touching back then...fuck I hated that LMR period because I would literally have them in my room and boom all that time wasted, because they would always say "I'm not actually interested in you" then why the hell are you here! some weird ptsd coming back now wow. But I've got all this new tech and exp since, let's give it a try. Feck now just confused myself.

But the thing with my sex talking is I got laid out of it, and I could literally gauge if she was into it or not. If she was I would have a straight up boner and I knew she was wet too and it would eventually lead to sex(Joe and I actually talked about this). I deff have gotten better at gauging if the girl is into the whole sex talk or not. A mistake I do is end up overdoing it, if she's not about entirely about it. so maybe instead, I will focus on the gauge of it and how I am using it (be more of a sexy guy about sex rather than the whole porn star party life style but be more mature about it?). There we go, that sounds better than completely cutting it out. That has just been my green light indicator for pulling or not.

I'm gonna refer back to my notes and try some stuff this weekend. I wish I could go out now but its like 2 am on a monday night, maybe go to a strip club and try on the strippers? But they will probably be too nice to me and give me a break haha I'm delusional I need sleep now.
 

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OKAY looked at my notes and I’m not confused anymore. It’s all about sexual framing, and seeing if she’s comfortable with it first. Otherwise just talking about it nonstop when she’s not about it doesn’t do you any good. Whew glad that’s all cleared up.
 

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Yeah sex talk should be a powerful tool if you use it right. Have you read Alek Rolstads articles on using it effectively?

You use it to A) communicate your beliefs about sex (this reduces LMR) and B) arouse her to make her horny. Sounds like u just to calibrate a bit better and use it strategically rather than bludgeon them over the head with it. 50% of the convo being sex talk on dates sounds a bit much. A little can go a long way and then you back off and hold the tension via fundamentals.

Alek (and Drexel Scott) have plenty great articles on it (and Daniel Abdeyo as well?).

Just gotta find your style a bit more. Find what works and what doesn't.
 

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Yeah sex talk should be a powerful tool if you use it right. Have you read Alek Rolstads articles on using it effectively?

You use it to A) communicate your beliefs about sex (this reduces LMR) and B) arouse her to make her horny. Sounds like u just to calibrate a bit better and use it strategically rather than bludgeon them over the head with it. 50% of the convo being sex talk on dates sounds a bit much. A little can go a long way and then you back off and hold the tension via fundamentals.

Alek (and Drexel Scott) have plenty great articles on it (and Daniel Abdeyo as well?).

Just gotta find your style a bit more. Find what works and what doesn't.
Will brush up on it has been a while since reading it.
 

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Tonight was a decent night. I took the interactions I had further each time. These were my good interactions over the night. I didn’t use sex talk at all (very limited and instead focused on fundamentals like heavy eye contact, smiling, facial expressions)
I think in loud venues I need to talk deeper. When I’m talking a bit louder my voice is a bit higher, something to work on. My Touch was really good tonight I was surprised.

Went out with two of my boys. They were catching up so I never felt bad leaving them and they know I always disappear to talk to girls lol.

Did 1 warm up approach blah blah bye!

cute black haired girl with blond highlight, viet:
She was in a group of 3 girls. If I didn’t take that bootcamp I would be so worried on how to tackle this but I have got this thing NAILED down.

Open up to group say hi to all of them then turn my attention to the one I like:
Her body language was initially closed: arms crossed. I said okay if I do sex talk I’m gonna scare her away let’s do some core fundamental stuff. Deep voice HEAVY eye contact I could feel it.
We talked and I think the only reason she opened up was because we had crazy similarities. She works right next to me. She’s going to Thailand, I’ve been to Thailand. And I say hey let me show you some photos. I show her and boom she’s open and just telling me all this stuff. NICE!

we were talking and I would occasionally like tap on the back and hold it there for a second or two. I was telling her about Thailand and told her to open her fist and show here how to ride an elephant.
I threw a sexual humor, so you like riding, with a devilish smile, she got red and laughed and then I quickly changed topics (pretty sure she got wet I could feel it)

had to run

Closer: hey it was really nice meeting you but you seem really cool I’d be down to grab some grub with you sometime let’s set it up I’ll shoot you a text tomorrow what’s your number?

She gladly took my phone and wrote it. Gonna text her in the AM. Write about it here.
Then gave her a nice little side hug. I don’t do numbers but this was great so why not! Her friends approved of me. I wish I stayed longer I could have hung out with her because I saw her leave and go home when I was in my Uber to the next venue.

We went to some edm venue, and it was nice really hot girls there.

I talk to some blonde girls and they’re cool but I’m not feeling it with them, they can be a warm up.

I notice a small black haired chick (turns out she’s half white half Korean) she looks white tho but I can see it later.

There was some opener guy,
Me: hmm This guy is interesting are you here for (insert show guy name) or Micheal Jackson?
Her; haha obv Micheal Jackson
Me: oh great me too, btw you’re hella cute
Introduce each other
Basic small talk
I then ask her
Me; so do you have a boyfriend ?
Her: pretty much no..
Me: oh yeah I’m single
Her: (what’s the Obama face meme not bad?)
I guess I executed that wrong lol or maybe it was too loud.
Me: who you here with ?
Her; idk some friends but they’re alright don’t really hang with them I’m just kinda here
Me: BINGO

This is where I’m like alright I’m gonna try and move this girl. Cuz fuck it I need to escalate
Me: ah bummer, hey my friends are all the way in the front they’re really fun let’s go there!
Her; sure!
Me: okay grab my arm so we don’t get lost
Her:eek:k

we’re at the back of the venue and it takes a good 5 min of arm holding and we’re finally there. With my friends. Say hi blah blah, they said they move to the front I said okay I’ll chill here and meet up with them.

Me: so what are you drinking?
Her: here try it
(I quit drinking but a sip won’t hurt and I’ll look cool and socially calibrated?)
Me; it’s Jamey, I only drink jameson,
We talk more about jameson and our love for it.
The main act is coming on. So it gets louder and it’s hard to talk and it feels a little awkward because I can’t initiate convo as well because it’s so fucking loud (maybe should have moved to the back or to a couch to chill)
She’s on her phone texting her friends she says she has to go. I said alright. She then asks for my number WOOT WOOT! I’m not used to that. I said yeah we can grab some grub I’ll shoot ya a text later. Okay:)
She gives me a hug and then leaves. Pretty solid I’ll take it.
Shot her a text after the show ended

Ciao Virginia it was nice running into ya! (artist) killed it!

Waiting on text so we’ll see how that goes.

Update: 2 days later no text back.

Proud because I moved a girl with no hesitation but it felt a little awkward at the end. Maybe that’s why she left.
This is always my motivational thing for girls: be a savage, be the aggressive guy and go for what you want. it kinda hurt me because
I was gonna approach this one girl, and walking up to her but this guy slithers in. And he’s Indian so let me see this guy in action, he did rather well! ( I actually approach this girl when the venue is over and she was so easy to talk to and into me but she was catching her uber and she was with her friends and not the guy)

So this is his FR but I was observing and took notes.

Song comes on.
He dances shows his face then he rubs his but against her vagina, and she loves it and starts smacking it. He then turns around and grinds with her. And she’s receptive. and her friends are cheering her on. And they start a middle school grind train Hahahaha. Fuck man that could have been me I laugh hysterically. She then holds his hand and drags him to the front of the venue. I lose them but I’m super motivated now if he can do that shit, I can do it better mother fucker.

I go to the bathroom because my mind is a little sad that happened and it would have been good and easy for me with that hot girl. I looked in the mirror. Okay have fun man, that’s the only way it’s gonna work, don’t focus so hard to be so hard on yourself, Just have fun but be a savage and have FUN EITH IT. Learn from this. My mind was reset. And my next girl was the best interaction in a while.

This intro could not have been more perfect and I kinda felt like a bad ass seducer.
Small Asian girl like 5’1 nice boobs. Not the hottest of girls but let’s see id smash more than 3 times!

So I actually catch two Indian girls checking me out, and I walk super slow and she’s still looking at me, I give a high five and say Hey!
They deadass both stop and say omg hi how are you, and keep initiating convo, okay I like it. Then the small Asian girl comes and joins them they’re friends. She notices the two Indian girls are adoring me so I introduce myself and then put my arm around the Asian girl,
Me: youre adorable hi! Btw nice leather skirt, I’ve got a bit of a leather fettish (MR.ROB I stole that from one of your reports because 1 it’s so fun and 2 it’s fucking awesome haha)
It’s perfect she digs it and likes it. Nice I’m in there. We dance for most of the show! And I’m leading. She’s grinding on me! hand holding no resistance at all! Yes buddy I’m getting action after a long time nice!! I go in for a kiss but back out to build some tension. It’s there alright nice i need to pull soon. The best thing is no sex talk.
Beginning was awesome I liked it and we talked great this was going so well. Had to pull soon on a high note.
Then I’m not sure wtf happened.

I turn for one second to tell my friend to get some water and I see her talking with some chump. Hmmm who is this guy. Why is she putting his number in his phone? He’s awkwardly standing behind her and I’m in front of her dancing this is where it gets weird. I then say fuck that guy and grab her hand like I was 4 minutes ago and pull her into me, she is resisting HARD. Wtf. I let go and continue dancing and then try and Initiate talk and it’s 1 word responses. What da fuck. She was literally telling me paragraphs 4 minutes ago.
I then say ah who is that guy? She then shrugs

This is where I got confused, when she was talking with the guy should I have played “white knight” and jutted in? Or should I have been cool like I was and let it happen?

I tried imagining if I had 6 other bitches at this club, I wouldn’t be worried about her. Faking this abundance mentality until it’s there....

She then walks away with her friends without saying goodbye and then RUNS off. Confused, but I’m like wait I’m not gonna chase this bitch, a girl in Thailand told me I can get any girl I want. It’s one of my pocket ego boosters when shit hits the fan.

So I just groove and try to find other girls but it’s the beat up hour. Ugh. I actually run into her again later by the bathrooms. Small talk! Hug! It’s a little better. Then I go for pull.

Hey you’re pretty cool we should keep hanging out let’s get out of here.
I grab her arm and walk out of venue, she resists.
LMR?
I say oh I got a dj set we can play with that cmon it’s getting late don’t be silly.
Nope
Okay but here’s the thing if we hang out, we cannot have sex like no way, we then pinky promise take 2 steps together.
She resists and says I NEED TO STAY WITH MY FRIENDS. Fuck me were all adults you live with them, get some dick and be happy.
She said I do what I want,
Oh god is this girl crazy, I said literally okay bye and walk away.

Did I do the right thing? I was running out of pulling stuff. Oh well I tried and that’s the furthest I’ve been the past 3 weeks. Excited to text the other girls and see how that plays out!


Almost there
 

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See there ya go. Gettin a little further each time. You might have a few more "almost" pulls for a bit (still awesome). And then you'll get one that goes home but maybe failed escalation. Do that a few times and then one of em pans out. Keep being stoked on the little successes along the way as long as your making upward progress over time.

I turn for one second to tell my friend to get some water and I see her talking with some chump. Hmmm who is this guy. Why is she putting his number in his phone? He’s awkwardly standing behind her and I’m in front of her dancing this is where it gets weird. I then say fuck that guy and grab her hand like I was 4 minutes ago and pull her into me, she is resisting HARD. Wtf. I let go and continue dancing and then try and Initiate talk and it’s 1 word responses. What da fuck. She was literally telling me paragraphs 4 minutes ago.
I then say ah who is that guy? She then shrugs
Nice opener on this girl ;0

Yeah this a bit weird. Assuming you didn't pull her away from the guy in a needy way that's probably the move I would've opted for as well. I like dominating the competition frame. And ideally here your move should really spike her attraction if done right (and then you're really in). My best guess is that whatever guy she was putting her number in his phone that guy at that moment she assessed as having higher value. Then you come in with lower value and she's like "meh". That said if you could've socially dominated the situation in a better way and demonstrated higher value (likely choding that guy out) then she would've hooked really hard after that.

Maybe it would've been better to address the two of them and out dominate the guy in a cool socially calibrated way. Idk I'm pretty hit or miss there. Humor can be good "hey yeah good call you both trade numbers, I know you were just telling me how bad you need a "gentleman" to hold your shopping bags for you when you go to the mall soon. Looks like you my friend are the lucky guy!" (*extend hand to shake and then patronizingly slap him on the back [dominance]) and be like "well glad you came over man, nice meeting ya we'll catch up with you soon brotha, enjoy your night!"

Then as you walk away with your girl "man that guy was a real swell guy" so the dude can overhear.

Idk maybe wouldn't work but that's an option. You outdominate the guy but make him feel good/special. It could backfire if he's more of an asshole and gets what your doing but if you can hold the dominate frame it can work.

Of course maybe if you would've just played it cool and let her come to you by maybe dancing with another girl nearby and having more fun in front of her she would've chased. There's a lot of potentials.

So I just groove and try to find other girls but it’s the beat up hour. Ugh. I actually run into her again later by the bathrooms. Small talk! Hug! It’s a little better. Then I go for pull.

Hey you’re pretty cool we should keep hanging out let’s get out of here.
I grab her arm and walk out of venue, she resists.
LMR?
I say oh I got a dj set we can play with that cmon it’s getting late don’t be silly.
Nope
Okay but here’s the thing if we hang out, we cannot have sex like no way, we then pinky promise take 2 steps together.
She resists and says I NEED TO STAY WITH MY FRIENDS. Fuck me were all adults you live with them, get some dick and be happy.
She said I do what I want,
Oh god is this girl crazy, I said literally okay bye and walk away.
When a girl is resisting pretty hard she's not going to flip if you keep persisting. In fact it'll make her more resolute that her mind is made up.

Probably better to have spent a little more time to get her hooked again first and then use a yes ladder to talk her into coming back with you. Again the crux of this interaction was dealing with the social interruption. Handled that and she would've been yours.

Keep it up man, look forward to the next journal edition ;0
 

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See there ya go. Gettin a little further each time. You might have a few more "almost" pulls for a bit (still awesome). And then you'll get one that goes home but maybe failed escalation. Do that a few times and then one of em pans out. Keep being stoked on the little successes along the way as long as your making upward progress over time.



Nice opener on this girl ;0

Yeah this a bit weird. Assuming you didn't pull her away from the guy in a needy way that's probably the move I would've opted for as well. I like dominating the competition frame. And ideally here your move should really spike her attraction if done right (and then you're really in). My best guess is that whatever guy she was putting her number in his phone that guy at that moment she assessed as having higher value. Then you come in with lower value and she's like "meh". That said if you could've socially dominated the situation in a better way and demonstrated higher value (likely choding that guy out) then she would've hooked really hard after that.

Maybe it would've been better to address the two of them and out dominate the guy in a cool socially calibrated way. Idk I'm pretty hit or miss there. Humor can be good "hey yeah good call you both trade numbers, I know you were just telling me how bad you need a "gentleman" to hold your shopping bags for you when you go to the mall soon. Looks like you my friend are the lucky guy!" (*extend hand to shake and then patronizingly slap him on the back [dominance]) and be like "well glad you came over man, nice meeting ya we'll catch up with you soon brotha, enjoy your night!"

Then as you walk away with your girl "man that guy was a real swell guy" so the dude can overhear.

Idk maybe wouldn't work but that's an option. You outdominate the guy but make him feel good/special. It could backfire if he's more of an asshole and gets what your doing but if you can hold the dominate frame it can work.

Of course maybe if you would've just played it cool and let her come to you by maybe dancing with another girl nearby and having more fun in front of her she would've chased. There's a lot of potentials.



When a girl is resisting pretty hard she's not going to flip if you keep persisting. In fact it'll make her more resolute that her mind is made up.

Probably better to have spent a little more time to get her hooked again first and then use a yes ladder to talk her into coming back with you. Again the crux of this interaction was dealing with the social interruption. Handled that and she would've been yours.

Keep it up man, look forward to the next journal edition ;0
Almost there thanks for the push it really helps
 

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I found a really great new venue, you can actually talk to people and it’s super chill. Fuck that other Venue I always go to. This could be my go to. Super crowded because college students were back so I’ll try a more tame night. I didn’t really vibe with anyone here but there are cute girls so there is future potential

Starting out I was super exhausted, and not in the right mindset. A couple of my approaches were just awful, the girls weren’t receptive at all. Maybe they just wanted to hang with their friends from college. Being tired did affect me in the beginning.

I almost had a 15 min pull the first hour.

Nice ass Columbian chick.

I spot her and she’s got on the fluffiest jacket, then reach out and start going wow this is the fluffiest jacket ever.

She was super warm and receptive. And she started to hold my hand. I was playing around with her and started grabbing her ass saying it was nice and better than most girls here. She said help me look for my cousins. I said only if I can grab your ass. She said okay! But then I realized she was actually really drunk. No bueno. She started spitting randomly in her cup. I said noooo buddy I don’t wanna deal with this. I let her go.

Queue till I see you again - Sam smith

Not, byeeee. I also see her cousins find her and there’s like 6 of them.

From 10-2 there weren’t any solid interactions at all. It was frustrating like there were some cute girls but nothing was happening between us. I got a lot of rejections tonight which I’m not used to usually I’m leaving the convo but it’s cool.

Boutta head home but then all the bars are closing so I think hmmm this is my happy hour, I can find a relatively cute girl and try talking with her.

I got far with this one!

2 Vietnamese girls.
They’re talking and I hear them mention my college I went to
I jutted myself in, hey I went there too!
Omg hi five she likes me a lot I can tell.
There’s two of them though one smaller one and the other is slightly bigger but not CHONKY. smaller one: smalls bigger one: bigs.
I obv go for the smaller one and there’s another guy trying to hit on the bigger one. But holy shit this guys game is terrible. He’s so fucking needy. I’m talking with smalls and vibing her and touching her it’s going great. But bigs is having a problem with the other guy. He says let’s go to my hotel and after party. Alright if he’s with bigs I can extract smalls good thinking so I’m on his side. But he’s not playing this smooth at all. I’m gonna try and control this situation. I say hey it sounds pretty fun let’s go the night is young and he lives like 5 min away and then we can leave if we don’t like him!
Girls like me because I’m making sense and sober AF. But then the guy ruins it for himself and says oh let’s go to DC OH wait let’s go to this club oh wait. DUDE I’m getting u free puss chill out. Bigs is starting to hate him and we all three leave and they actually really like me, they think I’m super cool and open. I always end up with 2 girls but I can’t seem to fuck both of them together (it’s my dream goal) this is the 4th weekend it’s happened lol. We all grab some food at some diner and these girls are interviewing me and deep diving me hard and I am too and they like it. I find out smalls has trust issues and I’m has a bf and I kinda like bigs now because her tits look amazing and she’s adventurous. We talk about sexual things we’ve done. I don’t come off as too playboy just simple things but sexual enough.

PULL
Girls get sleepy, so they say okay I’ll uber to mine and then you can Uber to yours. I say wait that’s dumb, it’s gonna cost a million dollars. Bigs can uber with me and then Uber from my place it’s close by. Both girls actually agree wow they trust me! Smalls said don’t try anything funny okay.

Nice so now I’m in an Uber with big and I sit next to her in the back seat. I remember hector saying just be a savage, so I go for it. I put my arm around her and her thigh and she likes it. I say your friend is super protective, she didn’t want anyone to take you home. She said yeah haha she’s like that because and I zoned out at this point. But she likes my touches. I then go in for a kiss and she rejects it. She said no offense but I don’t sleep with people I don’t know. Okay I need to build more trust and bs. I say okay no problem you’re just super cute btw! Thanks I think you’re super cute too! It’s just idk you no offense.

We get to my place. But the Uber to her place is like $30 because it’s like 4 am. I say I can drop ya off, she agrees and says wait can I pee in your house. I said okay!

She wants the dick I think

She comes back from bathroom and I’m laying on my bed. I tell her give me 10 min I need to rest up a little. I tell her just take your shoes off let’s chill. We chill on my bed and I’m cuddling with her. NICE.

I say wanna see something cool? I pull out my vibrator I have, and we instantly talk about sex. I then tell her about the different types of orgasms and my dick is rock hard. She’s so intrigued about it and I grab her hand and put it on my jeans over my dick and rub it back and forth. I tell her want some tips for fucking? When you’re riding a guy reach back and start playing with his balls, and then I put her hand and cuff them around my balls. I’m hard as fuck so she better be wet too right? That’s science. And then I go in for kiss and she refuses and then tells me she doesn’t know me and doesn’t want a relationship blah blah. I said I’m kinda sad you don’t wanna fuck I should stop trying she said yes you should. She keeps saying how she doesn’t know me. I don’t have time to build connection. She then starts talking about her fwb and how he has a big dick, it’s a shit test I just say oh great!Boom I stop trying and she goes home.

Queue till I see you again - Sam smith

Kinda glad I didn’t smash because I think I can do wayyyyyy better.


Closer than last time!!
 

Velasco

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then I go in for kiss and she refuses and then tells me she doesn’t know me and doesn’t want a relationship blah blah. I said I’m kinda sad you don’t wanna fuck I should stop trying she said yes you should. She keeps saying how she doesn’t know me. I don’t have time to build connection. She then starts talking about her fwb and how he has a big dick, it’s a shit test I just say oh great!Boom I stop trying and she goes home
This is a girl that does things in the moment. She wants It to just happen.

Her "I don't sleep with anybody I don't know" is to trip up dudes who don't understand her blueprint. And you should know it's a shit test because your instinct is telling you she wants to fuck. (Her agreeing to go to your place and then needing to pee there is her doing her part in helping you make it just happen).

So the move here isn't to build a connection with her. Its find an excuse to escalate to sex. What you gotta understand is any resistance at this point is token to make her feel in her head that she put up a battle, but couldn't win because you overpowered her. Some girls will put up resistance only because It's hot for them to feel like they got overpowered by a strong man (rape fantasy). Very nuanced. But for this you gotta be able to recognize legit resistance from this token resistance. Otherwise you'll end up losing out on a lot of girls for refusing to overpower their fake resistance in favor of trying build a connection with them.

So back to this scenario, in response to her "I don't want a relationship" rather than your response, I would address her objection with a, "da fuck? what makes you think I want a relationship girl lol?" so that we're both on the same page. Then when she brings up her fwb, I would use THAT opportunity to make it just happen. "Oh that's sick. But can he do this. Here let me show you. Here take off your pants for a sec. I'm not gonna fuck you i swear lol! (Say it before she does. So her logical brain focuses on that rather than her pants coming off). This is something I do to girls that tell me most guys have no clue how to do. I haven't met a single girl that doesn't like it". Then start rubbing her clit. Making it wet stick two fingers in there. Remind her "it's not sex" then finger her hard come hither style to make her squirt (remove your pants with the other hand if you haven't done so already). Turning her very on in the process. This will make her forget her "I don't fuck anybody I don't know" rule and just be lost in the moment wanting some dick. Now is when you strike (don't go for this kiss straight away cause that'll risk reminding her that she doesn't know you and hence burst the bubble. So just fuck her. Kiss her mid-fuck if you want, cause by then your already pass the P in V point).
 
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