Road to better women

[Mr.Rob]

Bro you had this in the bag, and dropped the ball last minute. Killin me.

Check out how Alek Rolstad uses sex talk to communicate his beliefs of non judgementalness toward sex. You seem to naturally be able to use sex talk so it'd fit right in with your game and help a LOT with anti slut defense and empower and prime her to indulge in pleasure.

Bacchus displays this beautifully in his recent LR. https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/poetic-injustice.21808/

 

[cruiser]

This is a girl that does things in the moment. She wants It to just happen.

I would use THAT opportunity to make it just happen. "Oh that's sick. But can he do this. Here let me show you. Here take off your pants for a sec. I'm not gonna fuck you i swear lol! (Say it before she does. So her logical brain focuses on that rather than her pants coming off). This is something I do to girls that tell me most guys have no clue how to do. I haven't met a single girl that doesn't like it". Then start rubbing her clit. Making it wet stick two fingers in there. Remind her "it's not sex" then finger her hard come hither style to make her squirt (remove your pants with the other hand if you haven't done so already). Turning her very on in the process. This will make her forget her "I don't fuck anybody I don't know" rule and just be lost in the moment wanting some dick. Now is when you strike (don't go for this kiss straight away cause that'll risk reminding her that she doesn't know you and hence burst the bubble. So just fuck her. Kiss her mid-fuck if you want, cause by then your already pass the P in V point).

Velasco that is some stellar stuff right there! I will try that when I have this type of resistance. I also get this response a lot, "I know what you are trying to do" I assume the best thing is to just reflect it same some bs "Oh no I'm a virgin"

I've always thought that kissing builds sexual tension and you transition right into it but I guess fingering would too. I just hate heavy LMR because of the worry of being on the bad side of the spectrum.

I do remember now a long time ago how I got over something similar to this was, I was kissing with a girl and she was on the bottom, and I grind my hips up and down her p*ssy. All girls I have done this with get turned on because I remember my really hot friend telling me about this one time how she thinks its hot when guys do that to her and its engraved in my memory now. But I was doing that with one girl and then I said some bs like hey take your jeans off it kinda hurts my dick. She did it and then said she was turned off.

Thanks for that

 

[cruiser]

Bro you had this in the bag, and dropped the ball last minute. Killin me.

Check out how Alek Rolstad uses sex talk to communicate his beliefs of non judgementalness toward sex. You seem to naturally be able to use sex talk so it'd fit right in with your game and help a LOT with anti slut defense and empower and prime her to indulge in pleasure.

Bacchus displays this beautifully in his recent LR. https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/poetic-injustice.21808/

I knowwwwwww I did. and I actually read that exact report before going out that night! Such a smooth report, He's very artistic something I kinda wanna pick up on and I've always wanted to get with a girl with a boyfriend at least once lol.

 

[cruiser]

I just don’t feel like tinder dates are so cool anymore. It’s not an adventure idk I like the whole meeting and approaching a girl I feel fucking manly. I haven’t had success lately though but it’s coming . I feel so wimpy setting them up tinder dates now. But the girls I match with are cute and I’m in a dry season for sex. The wolf is hungry.

Cute 20 yr old college Asian student. Mind you it’s finals week for her next week. She’s from Texas she misses it a lot. She seems really sweet. She’s got finals but is open to meet on Sunday for dinner.

Match girl on tinder. Get number. Text build rapport. Set up date. Okay see you then

Then I get a text:

Her:Hey I googled the place and can we do this place instead? It’s closer to mine it’ll be easier for me I don’t have a car

(Fuck how am I gonna pull I feel some lmr and oh I gotta study resistance)
Me: hmmm depends only if it’s good.
Her: it is!!! You down?

I don’t text her for a whole 24 hrs because I read the article on dating on your own terms. Which I completely agree with. I’m not sure if I should have kept the venue mine or go to hers.
I did some research on my venue and there was a cool dessert store near it so I was gonna go there after with her. Didn’t tell her that but as I’m writing this I feel like a fucking idiot and should have set but hey there’s this cool dessert place we can check out.

It’s always the small things which make me fuck up. Hmmmmm.
I wait like 24 hours.
Finally text her back: I’m down.

Her immediately: okay sounds good
Me: see ya then
Her; okay!!!!!

So let’s see how this pans out Sunday. Not sure if I can pull same day I want to but logistics might be a little bad. It’s 20 min away from my house.

It’s Sunday!
She texts me in the morning about if we are still on. That’s a stellar sign! No flake.

It’s like 20 min away from my house damn.

Drive there. She’s there and Convo is great everything is flowing smoothly.

And she keeps asking questions but I let her do %65 of the talking.

We are talking about college because she’s in college at the moment
this is a little gambit I remember

One question which I’m never used to getting

Her; so I have a question, so why are you on tinder?
Me: I don’t really use dating apps I kinda do it real life so I thought I would give it a stab really I’m rarely ever on there kinda do it in real life instead, you?
(Not sure if this was the best response to this, I kinda just wanted to blurt out: because I want to Fuxk your brains out sweetie and make you cum all over my dick. I know why you’re here too let’s be honest you want some pre exam dick so your mind can be clear let’s get the fuxk out of here and I’ll make you cum,I truly deep down wanted to go savage mode and say that) hahaha
Her: oh cool ummm yeah just to meet people.

5 minutes later

Me: yeah do you have a job in college?
Her: nooo I don’t i just study
Me: ah nothing wrong with that
Her: did you when you were in college?
Me: haha yeah actually I worked in the library, sounds super boring but some interesting things happened.
Her: omg tell me I’m super curious!
Me: well people tried throwing parties, a guy came in a dinosaur suit and started dancing everywhere, caught people having sex in the stacks, 3rd floor specifically
Her: whaaaat! They had sex in the library that’s so (her face was hesitating like she was trying to make it seem bad but it wasn’t fully coming out) crazy!
Me: hey we’re humans the best comes out of us sometimes finals weeks stresses need to be destressed in our own humanistic way, I mean sex really is in our dna so who am I to judge their actions! At the end of the day it’s just all fun didn’t mind it much, just flickered the lights so they understand to leave.
Her: oh okay yeah I mean it is in our nature you’re right..
Her: but why would you do it in the library? Can’t you just go back to your college apartment or something ?
Me: well maybe some of them live in dorms and have roommates
Her: rolling eyes, damn roommates I get it


(Bingo this was a good sign)

Me: and some people it’s a kink, everyone has their own kinks so I can’t really judge them about it other than the fact that it’s sorta adventurous and out there!
Her:yeah okay that makes a bunch of sense you’re right!
Me: you know what’s so funny about college, and it just Always seemed so dumb to me.
Her: what?
Me: that you girls always get slut-shamed, no matter where you are.
Her: omg thank you!! Finally someone gets it
Me: like what is everyone’s deal, sleep with who you want to, wear what you want, I’m not a real judgy person but do what makes ya happy ya know?
Her: I know right it’s always happens and it’s super annoying especially because there is this double standard for girls and guys like if a guy sleeps with a girl he’s a pimp but if a girl sleeps with a guy she’s a hoe.
Me: like I said our dna is literally made to create so I could care less if joe and Savannah’s get together, their primal instincts are kicking in.
Her: I totally agree with that!
Me: you know respect other people but no labels

I forget how the rest of this went but at the same time I’m playing with her hand and there is no resistance what so ever. This is going good.

Me: I like how open you are about this, it’s really cool that you’re sharing this stuff with me
Her: thanks
It felt like a high point and we already paid for our food so I said
Me: you know what you’re pretty cool, we should keep hanging out let’s just head back to my place I’ll drop ya off later
Her: oh I’m sorry I can’t I really have to study for an exam coming up I’m really sorry
Me: all goood I understand, we can hang for a little but I’ve got stuff to do later anyways and I’ll drop ya off
Her: nooo I got exam sorry need to study blah blah
Me: okay that’s cool how far is your place around here?
Her: 5 min away
Me: here I’ll drop ya off I’d hate walking in the cold let’s go.
Her: okay!

Walking to car and her arm is around mine,
She says oh wow target is open this late !

Me; let’s go fuck around in target
Her: bahaha okay!! You’re so adventurous and fun.

(Wtf happened to studying )

So we’re in target for about an hour and a half..
I’m literally holding her hand while we’re in there and she’s looking at shit and we’re messing around. It’s fun

I actually have to piss like real bad. There’s a code on the bathroom.
Ask an employee he gladly gives it hahahah

While I’m pissing I’m like hmmm what if I tried to fuck her in here....I didn’t feel savage enough.

I come out and she’s waiting for me
We walk around

Her; how was the bathroom ?
Me; it was super nice and clean actually
Her: probably because it’s new
Me: too bad they put a passcode on it so trouble makes like you and me can’t go inside (devilish smile)
Her: omg lol
Hmmm I didn’t kiss this girl yet can I just try and drag here in there idk kinda risky

So we walk for like 2 min in target and then I’m like haha sheesh yeah I’m super picky
Her: haha what Dk you mean?
Me; oh I’m just picky with the girls I hang out with
Her: oh really?
Me: yeah so don’t mess this up okay?
Her; her face is like whaaaaaat

Let go of her hand and she’s like whoa what just happened did I lose him?

And then I’m near an aisle, and just go in for the kiss and she’s confused at first but she likes and kisses back to resistance and then I make sure to back out and she’s smiling.
And I resume some bs convo
COOL

We walk around a bit more and this happens like 2 more times.
I drop her off kiss her
Me: hey it was fun hangin with ya we should hang before ya leave this Friday
Her; haha we’ll see

Lmao I’ve heard this one way too many times to know this.

Texted her a day later

Me; hey had fun on Sunday! You’re pretty fun to hang with!

No response hahah fuck mee

 

[cruiser]

A light just shined in my head this morning. I’m being too much of an open book and having no such mystery at all no chase. Zzzz boring!!

 

[Velasco]

@cruiser

"Me: you know what you’re pretty cool, we should keep hanging out let’s just head back to my place I’ll drop ya off later
Her: oh I’m sorry I can’t I really have to study for an exam coming up I’m really sorry
Me: all goood I understand, we can hang for a little but I’ve got stuff to do later anyways and I’ll drop ya off
Her: nooo I got exam sorry need to study blah blah"

"Me; let’s go fuck around in target
Her: bahaha okay!! You’re so adventurous and fun.
(Wtf happened to studying )"

LOL...

there's actually a really good takeaway lesson from this silly field report.

With this part of your interaction that I highlighted, you can see that her real objection wasn't that she REALLY had to go study for that exam RIGHT NOW.

Her real objection was that she wasn't horny. So when you threw that invite to your place (even with the false time constraint that "it'll only be for a little while because you got stuff to do later") she gave you a plausible (it's plausible because its true. she does need to study for her exam....but it's not realllllly that big a deal to spend some time with you (1-2 hours) first before she does so. Her mini- adventure with you to Target proved that) reason for not doing what you want to do. And she knows you want to fuck her because you've been talking about sex with her. And how you don't judge girls for wanting to fucking a million guys. So congrats on setting that frame. But that frame alone, doesn't automatically make her want to fuck YOU.

Does she KNOW you know how to fuck girls really good?
Does she KNOW you've had thrilling sex adventures?

What works and what does not work in seduction now a days In clubs - Featuring Cosy (the cost of success) - The Skills Method

I went through a debauchery period that ended by CHOICE, last week (I got tired of meaningless sex and I met a girl that has tons of potential to be … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

The nonjudgemental frame is only ONE of what I call SNL traits:

Transitions - Transitions into demonstrating SNL traits

Here's a little something to help some of you guys take your game to the next level. When gaming, one of the things I do post hook is try to demonstrate as many traits of my self that are conductive to Single Night Lays. I simply name them SNL traits. These can be showing her how you have high...

www.skilledseducer.com

Display these traits (my post in the link above was about finding ways to transit into demonstrating those traits, but just knowing that you gotta demonstrate these traits in your interactions for the highest % (you can certainly get laid without them. But part of being a top seducer is striving for consistency. And going about doing things that give you the best % of getting your desired outcome is how you do that) of getting a SNL is the main takeaway) in between getting to know her shit, and you'll find yourself closing more girls.

 

[cruiser]

@cruiser

"Me: you know what you’re pretty cool, we should keep hanging out let’s just head back to my place I’ll drop ya off later
Her: oh I’m sorry I can’t I really have to study for an exam coming up I’m really sorry
Me: all goood I understand, we can hang for a little but I’ve got stuff to do later anyways and I’ll drop ya off
Her: nooo I got exam sorry need to study blah blah"

"Me; let’s go fuck around in target
Her: bahaha okay!! You’re so adventurous and fun.
(Wtf happened to studying )"

LOL...

there's actually a really good takeaway lesson from this silly field report.

With this part of your interaction that I highlighted, you can see that her real objection wasn't that she REALLY had to go study for that exam RIGHT NOW.

Her real objection was that she wasn't horny. So when you threw that invite to your place (even with the false time constraint that "it'll only be for a little while because you got stuff to do later") she gave you a plausible (it's plausible because its true. she does need to study for her exam....but it's not realllllly that big a deal to spend some time with you (1-2 hours) first before she does so. Her mini- adventure with you to Target proved that) reason for not doing what you want to do. And she knows you want to fuck her because you've been talking about sex with her. And how you don't judge girls for wanting to fucking a million guys. So congrats on setting that frame. But that frame alone, doesn't automatically make her want to fuck YOU.

Does she KNOW you know how to fuck girls really good?
Does she KNOW you've had thrilling sex adventures?

What works and what does not work in seduction now a days In clubs - Featuring Cosy (the cost of success) - The Skills Method

I went through a debauchery period that ended by CHOICE, last week (I got tired of meaningless sex and I met a girl that has tons of potential to be … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

The nonjudgemental frame is only ONE of what I call SNL traits:

Transitions - Transitions into demonstrating SNL traits

Here's a little something to help some of you guys take your game to the next level. When gaming, one of the things I do post hook is try to demonstrate as many traits of my self that are conductive to Single Night Lays. I simply name them SNL traits. These can be showing her how you have high...

www.skilledseducer.com

Display these traits (my post in the link above was about finding ways to transit into demonstrating those traits, but just knowing that you gotta demonstrate these traits in your interactions for the highest % (you can certainly get laid without them. But part of being a top seducer is striving for consistency. And going about doing things that give you the best % of getting your desired outcome is how you do that) of getting a SNL is the main takeaway) in between getting to know her shit, and you'll find yourself closing more girls.

Holy this is some powerful stuff. Okay I thought about the gambit section to transition into this stuff smoothly that I like.

do you go into this stuff immediately? It seems like you do which is super cool cutting the time.For my little gambit to cover those 4 areas I’ve come up with the following.

initially talk about travelling.
How I made some friends travelling
And one of them was a former porn star.
mention how society thinks of them as sluts but they’re people too.
learned a few things from her!
Like how to make a girl actually orgasm and have good sex.
Talk about the 8 orgasms.
How it’s not sex unless the girl cums.
Talk about how humans are meant t have sex because it’s in our dna we used to do it wherever really now people doing it in libraries.
Tell her how I used to work in library and that stuff would happen and I wouldn’t mind. I would hint that I tried it once there too, and it was a real adventure
Tell her how I get bored of girls easily unless they spark that real attraction and then it makes the sec even better.
I’m sure I can do something along those lines. and then when she gives the fuck me eyes is when to escalate and pull. This is a lot lol but I will deff try this I want to get real good and I’m tired of this dry spell !!!

thanks a lot Velasco i won’t let ya down

 

[cruiser]

Went on a date today.

Bumble match. She’s from NYC visiting DC alone and leaving tomorrow. Say let’s get food tonight she’s down cool. Logistics sound solid she’s coming to dc for some dickage.

date is okay. I touch her a lot and get some minor resistance when my hands on her thigh. She just brushes it off. Change venues 3 times.
2nd venue ice cream place
3rd venue at a bar

I’m leading and showing her stuff. Also keeping some stuff a mystery. But it needs work. I cave in everytime after a while. some example would be dope.
at bar at a couch but there’s a stupid thing in the middle cock blocking us. Can’t get super close but close enough.
Did velascos little thing for those 4 points. Told her I love being single and just exploring. Intentions were super clear.

This thing always kind of throws me off but maybe I’m not thinking about it right.

when she talks about having sex with another guy. What do you do. I played it off as cool like yeah okay interesting. Not building on it at all. It low key makes me jealous because she’s talking about a guy she fucked And her roommate fucked him too but she won’t fuck me. Is this a shit test? I remained super cool and calm it pisses me off though on the inside.


her: so you’ve been single for..
Me: a bit here and there
Her: I’ve been single for 5 months and it’s cool but do you ever feel lonely
Me: no you’re here duh
Her: I’m always so worried I’ll feel alone

and then she goes into a gambit about how she’s single and been in casual relationships and doesn’t mind it. Okay so she does want dick? Let’s pull!

Me: hey you’re pretty cool honestly I like hanging with ya
Her: IKR me too you’re cool
Me; let’s get out of here let’s go chill back at mine the bars closing soon we can hang there it’s closebh
Her: nah I’m good

tried again. Nada.

so she’s down for all these places except my house. I’m looking back I think I did everything right I think this girl is just wasting time or something ?
so she’s down for all these places except my house. I’m looking back I think I did everything right I think this girl is just wasting time or something like she’s filling a void by traveling.
She goes home.
I’m in the city I’m not wasting my time I’m going out and hitting on girls!!

it’s a Tuesday and it’s dead but I found an epic new venue out of this whole mess. Perfect set up I’m coming here this weekend. Talked to like 3 girls and they were super open and chill and I can tell I can do damage here. They had to leave because they were catching a flight.

like those 3little interactions went really well better than the whole date. Date was frustrating and a waste of time. How do I make girls WANNA fuck me idk what I’m doing wrong of even if I’m doing something wrong now. Hmmm

 

[cruiser]

Oh wow just realized I wasn’t being flirty it was kinda too serious hahahaha
Looking back what a bore I was.
okay next approach
Mystery flirty fun !!
Why so serious ‍

 

[Velasco]

keeping some stuff a mystery. But it needs work. I cave in everytime after a while. some example would be dope.

If its after a while (as in you made her work for it) then it's fine. Because she is chasing. What you can add before telling her tho is a compliance test first.

So the formula is:

First time she asks say, "Dont worry about it"/"I'll tell you later".

Change the topic and talk about something else.

If she brings the stuff back up (if she doesn't then it remains a mystery) throw her a small compliance test ("ok. would you consider yourself open minded?" - which she will agree to, because she wants to know what the mystery is).

tell her.

when she talks about having sex with another guy. What do you do

Reward her for investing (damn that sounds hot). Ask questions (you only fucked him once? Why? Did you orgasm?) Then relate a similar story that'll blows her story out of the water. From my experience, girls are terrible storytellers. They just discuss the facts of what happened. They really do a bad job of making you feel like you were there. It's a great opportunity to show her that if she were to fuck you, it would be an amazing experience for her. I dont know how many sex stories you have memorized, but I would pick a story from my toolset with heavy emphasize on being spontaneous and seizing the moment, since she's only here for one day.

and then she goes into a gambit about how she’s single and been in casual relationships and doesn’t mind it. Okay so she does want dick? Let’s pull!

As the great Lee Corso is fond of saying, Not so fast my friend. She's not horny yet. This isn't the signal to pull. It's the signal to agree with her. Talk about how great casual relationships are and contrast them with serious relationships. Make the contrast even stronger by listing all the negatives that go with serious LTRs so that by contrast, it makes casual relationships look far better.

How do I make girls WANNA fuck me

Doing a little bit of the above should help with that

P.S. Remember in my last post where I talked about "demonstrate these traits in between getting to know her shit, and you'll find yourself closing more girls"?

Well after passing the hook point, there's two things I want to do before pulling and then dealing with the subsequent objections. And you already know the first one (demonstrate SNL traits). The second thing I want to do is get HER to demonstrate SNL traits.

See most girls, in addition to needing to be turned on, also need to feel a connection to the guy before sleeping with him. Now what is the best/fastest way to make her feel a connection with you? By making her invest. The more she invests the more connected she will feel to you. So by her telling you times she demonstrated SNL traits (relating a sexual story like she did in your field report, time took a risk, did something adventurous/spontaneous, tells me about her sexual history/what she knows about sex, her body), she will feel that connection. After her story as I said above, you reward her. Ask her questions about her story to show interest. Then relate a similar story.

By choosing to get investment this way (rather than asking her to tell you about her Hopes and dreams) you expose the consistency bias. Basically by her telling you all these things about herself she will want to remain consistent with that image she just presented. Which is a spontaneous sexual girl. Which....is also conductive to SNLs

 

[cruiser]

If its after a while (as in you made her work for it) then it's fine. Because she is chasing. What you can add before telling her tho is a compliance test first.

So the formula is:

First time she asks say, "Dont worry about it"/"I'll tell you later".

Change the topic and talk about something else.

If she brings the stuff back up (if she doesn't then it remains a mystery) throw her a small compliance test ("ok. would you consider yourself open minded?" - which she will agree to, because she wants to know what the mystery is).

tell her.



Reward her for investing (damn that sounds hot). Ask questions (you only fucked him once? Why? Did you orgasm?) Then relate a similar story that'll blows her story out of the water. From my experience, girls are terrible storytellers. They just discuss the facts of what happened. They really do a bad job of making you feel like you were there. It's a great opportunity to show her that if she were to fuck you, it would be an amazing experience for her. I dont know how many sex stories you have memorized, but I would pick a story from my toolset with heavy emphasize on being spontaneous and seizing the moment, since she's only here for one day.



As the great Lee Corso is fond of saying, Not so fast my friend. She's not horny yet. This isn't the signal to pull. It's the signal to agree with her. Talk about how great casual relationships are and contrast them with serious relationships. Make the contrast even stronger by listing all the negatives that go with serious LTRs so that by contrast, it makes casual relationships look far better.



Doing a little bit of the above should help with that

P.S. Remember in my last post where I talked about "demonstrate these traits in between getting to know her shit, and you'll find yourself closing more girls"?

Well after passing the hook point, there's two things I want to do before pulling and then dealing with the subsequent objections. And you already know the first one (demonstrate SNL traits). The second thing I want to do is get HER to demonstrate SNL

THANKS for clarifying the whole mystery and throwing some compliance in there, that’s smart!

Totally agree when girls tell stories they just state Bland facts. I can totally one up on them that I’ve got a few stories I can tell.

All this has got me really thinking to the core. So sex talk, I agree can totally make the girls horny. But can you do all this without sex talk and how so.. I get if it’s a SNL, sure but if you want to keep seeing them again doesn’t this cause some issues? I know Chase stays away from Sex talk. So in my mind I’m pondering the idea, how do “normal” guys get with girls then. Let’s just assume they are not using sex talk!
So my take away from all this is, she will go home with you once she’s comfortable with you, finds you attractive, has a sort of connection/horny and boom.

Also if she’s comfortable with the hand holding and leg touching and what ever and you go for a kiss and she refuses. Obv that’s not a good sign, sort of a mixed signal right I feel like it’s attainability because they look at you more as a boyfriend? But that leads into the question can you convert a SNL into more than just one night!

I think my common problem now is I will try to pull. They will refuse, but I’ll mention another place and they’ll gladly go there. Is that them giving it another chance? thanks Velasco you’ve been awesome I’m learning a shit ton brotha

 

[Velasco]

I get if it’s a SNL, sure but if you want to keep seeing them again doesn’t this cause some issues? I know Chase stays away from Sex talk.

SNL (Same Night Lay) /= ONS (One Night Stand)

ONS usually happen when you get lucky. She's horny. She thinks you're hot. You guys dance together. Makeout. You physically escalate on her. Then take her home to bang without learning anything about her. If the sex is way better than anything she's had the last couple months and you discover you guys actually have a lot of things in common (books you've read, movies you like, worldviews are aligned) during post-sex talk, then she will be a lot more likely to want to see you again.

The reason a lot of guys think you need to go on two+ dates with girls rather than banging her the first night for retention purposes, is because they're really just shooting the shit with her, making her laugh a couple times, and doing basic kino (touching her shoulder, hands) to make her comfortable. Then on date 2 (or more dates) they makeout, go heavier into kino then invite her home to bang. This I believe is what normal people do (I wouldn't know because I'm not normal myself).

So for retention purposes
Going for a ONS is the lowest % move (relying on luck. You perform amazing in bed the first time (my first time with girls are usually never the best) and discover you actually have great chemistry with each other post sex).
Going for Day2 Close is a step above that in that you have a little more control. You don't trigger ASD and the girl feels comfortable with you after having spent several hours with you. Problem I can see is the girl thinking you move too slow. And flake on the subsequent date for doing so.

So if we step back for a bit, what's the common theme here for retention purposes?

Horny [sex talk], amazing in bed, have a lot of things in common with her [similarity bias], don't trigger ASD [nonjudgemental frame], feels comfortable with you [her investing a lot of information about herself to you].

Besides rocking her world in the bedroom, all of these are frames we can set/things we can do in the interaction, so that we can fuck her the same night, and see her again (unlike normal guys). All except 1 of the fuckbuddies I've had were girls I laid the first night I met them.

Chase may not be a fan of sex talk. but he is a fan of moving fast:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/secrets-getting-girls-move-faster

I think my common problem now is I will try to pull. They will refuse, but I’ll mention another place and they’ll gladly go there. Is that them giving it another chance?

IDK. I only pull when I know for a fact she's down to fuck.

Quote from Hector Castillo's article, "Move fast but don't rush her":

bang her as quickly as she will let you.

i.e., when she opens the window.

AKA, when she wants it.

Not before. Not after.

All of my best friends who are naturals wait until a girl gets doe-eyed and shows extreme signs of interest before taking them home. Why? No last-minute resistance (LMR), and it’s more fun.

 

[cruiser]

SNL (Same Night Lay) /= ONS (One Night Stand)

ONS usually happen when you get lucky. She's horny. She thinks you're hot. You guys dance together. Makeout. You physically escalate on her. Then take her home to bang without learning anything about her. If the sex is way better than anything she's had the last couple months and you discover you guys actually have a lot of things in common (books you've read, movies you like, worldviews are aligned) during post-sex talk, then she will be a lot more likely to want to see you again.

The reason a lot of guys think you need to go on two+ dates with girls rather than banging her the first night for retention purposes, is because they're really just shooting the shit with her, making her laugh a couple times, and doing basic kino (touching her shoulder, hands) to make her comfortable. Then on date 2 (or more dates) they makeout, go heavier into kino then invite her home to bang. This I believe is what normal people do (I wouldn't know because I'm not normal myself).

So for retention purposes
Going for a ONS is the lowest % move (relying on luck. You perform amazing in bed the first time (my first time with girls are usually never the best) and discover you actually have great chemistry with each other post sex).
Going for Day2 Close is a step above that in that you have a little more control. You don't trigger ASD and the girl feels comfortable with you after having spent several hours with you. Problem I can see is the girl thinking you move too slow. And flake on the subsequent date for doing so.

So if we step back for a bit, what's the common theme here for retention purposes?

Horny [sex talk], amazing in bed, have a lot of things in common with her [similarity bias], don't trigger ASD [nonjudgemental frame], feels comfortable with you [her investing a lot of information about herself to you].

Besides rocking her world in the bedroom, all of these are frames we can set/things we can do in the interaction, so that we can fuck her the same night, and see her again (unlike normal guys). All except 1 of the fuckbuddies I've had were girls I laid the first night I met them.

Chase may not be a fan of sex talk. but he is a fan of moving fast:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/secrets-getting-girls-move-faster



IDK. I only pull when I know for a fact she's down to fuck.

Quote from Hector Castillo's article, "Move fast but don't rush her":

bang her as quickly as she will let you.

i.e., when she opens the window.

AKA, when she wants it.

Not before. Not after.

All of my best friends who are naturals wait until a girl gets doe-eyed and shows extreme signs of interest before taking them home. Why? No last-minute resistance (LMR), and it’s more fun.

I love that line so much by hector. All right I’ll keep that in mind. Gotta get the gears moving now since break is over.

 

[cruiser]

Alright excited to go out this weekend!
Going to work on takeaways because I just don’t do it at all. And closing the distance and go for a make out.

fun little entry
it was New Years. Bout to go home. Saw a cute girl in midnight grub place. Went in approached her. And she was sitting down. With her friend too, her friend liked me. Me and the girl were talking and my hands were around her, she was holding my hand I closed the distance and started making out with her. Tried pulling but they had to go, it’s okay.

A note, need to do a takeaway here. Need some help on that to build that chase from them.