And at least with the sugar daddy thing you go on real dates, even if there's money involved. With a "pro" you're charged an hourly rate and she doesn't even want to talk to you outside of that. With a sugar baby it's like real., normal dating, and you can spend a whole weekend together.
I’m not sure the dates qualify as “real.”
They are definitely not real dates.
In the articles you posted, it said the guys who are getting laid the most either have good online game or are willing to pay sugar babies. So you should aim for either one of those. I have been seeing a lot more of this stuff on here lately. Guys talking about 'sugar babies' (i.e...
www.skilledseducer.com
Sugar dating is GFE ('girlfriend experience') by another name. It is just a rebranding. Guys getting into 'sugar dating' who try to argue it isn't prostitution generally seem to only be familiar with the "pay money and get a blow job / sex" variety, so they don't realize they're just doing GFE.
A sugar dating app is essentially GFE Uber: an app women can go to sell themselves as GFEs and men can go to purchase their services.
(anyone who thinks it isn't: go read
this sugar baby's list of rules and tell me how this is any different from the list of rules any other pro sets herself)
I don't see a problem with guys frequenting prostitutes if they have the means for it, so long as they aren't in denial about what it is. The guys who do it all want to (nobody's forcing them), and they're doing the rest of us a favor, by collectively all sharing a much smaller pool of women. I don't have exact numbers, but if we assume each woman is on average servicing three johns per week, the broader dating pool loses three men for every one woman as a result of that... very favorable for skilled seducers.
Of course, it's messier than that... the GFE girls often have a non-paying boyfriend (like in
@DonGately's examples), and the johns aren't always single guys; some of them are married men who want sex / a young woman experience without having to divorce their wives. So often the woman isn't totally removed from the dating pool, and not all the guys using her services would necessarily participate in the dating pool otherwise.
But on the whole, I think it's still good for seducers.
At the more meta level, as prostitution spreads and democratizes in the West, with things like sugar dating and like the OP's OnlyFans, we may end up seeing a shift to a society that functions more like other places with rampant accessible, inexpensive prostitution, like Thailand or the Philippines, where men do not bother learning game because they don't see a reason to. If they're horny, they go buy sex (or... naked pictures on OnlyFans, I guess?). The rest of the time, they slowly court women who might make good wives.
You can go to places with rampant prostitution and pretty easily sleep with the women there (
without paying), assuming you have halfway decent game, because they are not used to being picked up by men with game. They're either being courted or bought. That also might mean that a few decades down the road, however, if prostitution prices fall far enough, the idea of bothering to learn game in the first place might feel increasingly pointless to more and more Western men... as indeed already seems to be the trajectory based on what I've seen over the past 8 or 9 years...
Nightlife has a completely different function in places where prostitution is common. It's almost impossible to find a nightclub in Bangkok that isn't crawling with pros. Same with nightlife in the Philippines, in Malaysia, Ukraine, basically anywhere with a lot of prostitution... many places you will go to and a big chunk of the women in attendance are hunting for a john for the night.
It's possible the West may be headed in a direction more like these countries, where:
- Sex is cheap and available
- Nightlife crawls with prostitutes
- Most men don't bother to learn game
- Women divide into two camps: pros & non-pros
A lot of the pros I've met tend to be high sex drive girls. Which perhaps furthers the divide; if a girl likes sex and wants a lot of it, she might as well get paid for having it, right? Whereas the girls without that high a drive find the idea less to their liking.
The pros seem to do pretty well for themselves a lot of the time, too; I've seen a lot of these chicks pair off with one of their johns at some point. It is not like being a pro dooms a girl to spinsterhood. Assuming she knows when to get off the ride, of course. I've definitely also seen some weathered old pros and the first thing that pops into mind is, "Why is a chick her age still trying to work it?
Does she get many clients?"
Will the Western world become another Thailand or Philippines? Impossible to say now, but it sure looks like it's been trending that way over the past decade.
Germany was that way all throughout the 1920s. After World War I and before the rise of the Nazis, Germany was Europe's sex playground... basically the Thailand of its time. It's certainly not unprecedented to have that kind of sociosexual structure in the West.
Chase
