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Winston

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Since I am not into the whole sugar baby thing, I see things as an outsider... you may have a valid point.
Yeah to reiterate I am not advocating at all sugar dating.

I just find it interesting from an intellectual standpoint to think about it, because women that do that could be pretty normal girls (and its more and more socially acceptable, many tell it openly to their friends, some convert their friends to it...) and relationships dynamics there are not 100% different from normal ones where there is always some elements of power and negotiation involved and mixed with emotions.

My point is only that it would be too simplistic to model it the same way as pure prostitution.

Personnally I have stopped meeting new girls through it. I am only seeing one old girl that keeps contacting me.
 
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I prefer "normal" seduction of attractive women as a way to develop as a man. I have heard of stories which show strong bond can form between a SB and a SD e.g.: a wealthy businessman had a relationship with a SB. He then developed a terminal illness.
His wife was unaware of the relationship but his sister knew. The SB wanted to mourn him and attend his funerals. But the sister managed to convince her otherwise and ended up mourning him in "private" with the sister.

This is perhaps an extreme case. It shows that these type of relationships are more complex than just a pure transaction of exchanging gift/cash for sex.
 
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@Chase the way things are going, in five years you will have to start producing products about saving money on sex workers and negotiating the best deals. Lmao!
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To clarify, have you used a sugar app to meet any women or are you doing the sugar thing with some of these women?

This does not need any clarification, as I made my position quite clear in my posts. Perhaps you confused me with someone else.

The entire point was that the wanna-be/actual SB can be picked up at the bar/club by someone with game. Whether they're on SA or OF is almost totally irrelevant. If anything it makes it easier because they are usually sex-positive and more willing to do ONS. Especially if she already has a SD.

Avoiding gaming a girl because she's on any of the paid-dates website is foolish. Most of these college girls don't want to ask a man for cash anyway - it's too transactional - they want the fun experience of being with a guy who can take them to fun places/ for dinner and drinks before sex, instead of pizza & beer. I took one sorority girl to the opera and basically owned her body & soul for the next 8-9 months until I dropped her.
 
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That’s kinda the prime age that many women in their younger 20s like.

My boxing coach is 44 and still fucks 21 year olds all the time. Not hard when you stay healthy and in shape. Keep at it!

Same here and my latest girl is 20. 40s is prime age for a big % of hot college girls. Whether it's daddy issues, deniable dick, curiosity, prefer the look of a man, or they prize sexual experience -- it has worked out very well in my favor the past several years.

The girl I'm seeing tomorrow night I met she was 21, had just stopped fashion modeling and we've banged for 4 years. She loves getting all dressed up for me, nails done, stilettos on, makeup & hair perfect, elegant perfume. By contrast a college boy [at that time] would only have noticed her rockin' body.
 

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Sate of the seduction community 2022: Guys debating sugar style dating and talking about buying sex through sex workers.

@Chase the way things are going, in five years you will have to start producing products about saving money on sex workers and negotiating the best deals. Lmao!

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Upcoming Girls Chase courses:

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I'll publish these right after I publish the one on how to lay 400 girls a year off Tinder despite being hideously ugly plus the one on how to make all your favorite girls on OnlyFans come bang you.

Chase
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Cheers!

Troy
 

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I'll publish these right after I publish the one on how to lay 400 girls a year off Tinder despite being hideously ugly plus the one on how to make all your favorite girls on OnlyFans come bang you.

Chase
I know we're just meming right now,but i've actually heard of pornstars having fuck a fan contests on their onlyfans so if you go down that route you could teach guys how to stand out and emerge supreme :cool:
 

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I see that this thread has degenerated into ad hominem / mocking of sugar dating. It's unfortunate that we really can't have a serious discussion about all kinds of dating behaviors, as I thought this was a site dedicated to discussing dating in general. But the mere mention of resource exchange in dating seems to bring out virulent opposition in people who have dedicated their lives to extracting female resources from the mating game with minimal expenditure on their part as a man - despite the fact that throughout human history mating has traditionally been an exchange of resources from male (resources and status) to female (youth and fertility) and female to male.
 

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I see that this thread has degenerated into ad hominem / mocking of sugar dating. It's unfortunate that we really can't have a serious discussion about all kinds of dating behaviors, as I thought this was a site dedicated to discussing dating in general. But the mere mention of resource exchange in dating seems to bring out virulent opposition in people who have dedicated their lives to extracting female resources from the mating game with minimal expenditure on their part as a man - despite the fact that throughout human history mating has traditionally been an exchange of resources from male (resources and status) to female (youth and fertility) and female to male.
it's in the name mate "Skilled SEDUCER"
 

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seduce​


se·duce | \ si-ˈdüs , -ˈdyüs \
seduced; seducing

Definition of seduce

transitive verb
1: to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2: to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3: to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

The act of seducing, of persuading, or enticing, to sexual intercourse, can be accomplished by many things, one of which is an exchange of resources, or status.

If you persuade a young woman with the generosity of gift-giving, and engage in sexual intercourse with her, that is seduction, just as if you had engaged her in nothing more than a conversation that persuaded her to sleep with you, it's seduction either way. Or if you needed both the smooth conversation *and* the gifts to seduce her, which happens often in the sugar dating world, because many sugar babies don't just sleep with any man with a stack of cash and are instead selective about their dating choices.
 

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seduce​


se·duce | \ si-ˈdüs , -ˈdyüs \
seduced; seducing

Definition of seduce

transitive verb
1: to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2: to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3: to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

The act of seducing, of persuading, or enticing, to sexual intercourse, can be accomplished by many things, one of which is an exchange of resources, or status.

If you persuade a young woman with the generosity of gift-giving, and engage in sexual intercourse with her, that is seduction, just as if you had engaged her in nothing more than a conversation that persuaded her to sleep with you, it's seduction either way. Or if you needed both the smooth conversation *and* the gifts to seduce her, which happens often in the sugar dating world, because many sugar babies don't just sleep with any man with a stack of cash and are instead selective about their dating choices.
Ok if you wanna "seduce" girls with the 10 racks monthly salary you throw at them then go to a sugar daddy forum and discuss your seduction over there this isn't the place for you. Can't believe I put so much detail into a post offering suggestions on how to not be a sugar daddy to get pussy to a guy who was never interested in learning how in the 1st place. Guess this is why most tribal elders don't waste their time hanging on forums.
 

ph40

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Look, I'm interested in seducing beautiful women, whichever way works! I'm not *closed* to the concept of dating with zero monetary exchange, or with substantial monetary exchange. My goal is just to have a relationship with a beautiful woman. I'm not prejudiced against any way of getting there.

I feel, if we have these goals, it's not unproductive to discuss different methods of achieving them. Why would you not even consider all the possibilities unless you're close minded and dogmatic?

That's like, going to a sports car forum and talking about wanting to buy an exotic sports car. Some guys might want to finance the car, other guys will say to buy it outright, and still others will talk about leasing the car. Some might even talk about stealing it, or just borrowing a buddy's car, or renting it for a weekend. That doesn't mean that these aren't all valid avenues to obtain the "sports car experience". Different men take different routes to experience that car, but in the end, they all experience it.
 

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I see that this thread has degenerated into ad hominem / mocking of sugar dating. It's unfortunate that we really can't have a serious discussion about all kinds of dating behaviors, as I thought this was a site dedicated to discussing dating in general. But the mere mention of resource exchange in dating seems to bring out virulent opposition in people who have dedicated their lives to extracting female resources from the mating game with minimal expenditure on their part as a man - despite the fact that throughout human history mating has traditionally been an exchange of resources from male (resources and status) to female (youth and fertility) and female to male.

We can have a mature discussion on that.

Just keep in mind that your position is… “frowned upon” to say the least.
What you are achieving by throwing significant amounts of money, a lot of guys here achieve on a bigger scale with better women while spending virtually nothing.

Also, don’t fool yourself. In the sugar dating world you’re paying money to compensate for lack of skill.
You could be using a fraction of that money to pay for a dating coach, an assistant to manage your Tinder account or fly to East Europe.
It’s not even money wise.

If you like sugar dating, that’s cool.
We just don’t consider you equally skilled.
 

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seduce​


se·duce | \ si-ˈdüs , -ˈdyüs \
seduced; seducing

Definition of seduce

transitive verb
1: to persuade to disobedience or disloyalty
2: to lead astray usually by persuasion or false promises
3: to carry out the physical seduction of : entice to sexual intercourse

The act of seducing, of persuading, or enticing, to sexual intercourse, can be accomplished by many things, one of which is an exchange of resources, or status.

If you persuade a young woman with the generosity of gift-giving, and engage in sexual intercourse with her, that is seduction, just as if you had engaged her in nothing more than a conversation that persuaded her to sleep with you, it's seduction either way. Or if you needed both the smooth conversation *and* the gifts to seduce her, which happens often in the sugar dating world, because many sugar babies don't just sleep with any man with a stack of cash and are instead selective about their dating choices.
If you go to a vegan/vegetarian forum and talk in favour of meat, you would get nasty replies. The same thing applies here. If you want to remain here long enough, avoid bringing up "sugar daddy", "sugar baby", "women only care about money" topics here... or else you wouldn't like this forum.

The staff would likely not allow anyone to shift the culture of this forum to "maybe sugar daddy relationships are okay".

We know what seduction means to us - and it definitely excludes "pay for sex"! I am out of this thread.
 

ph40

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I find it both hilarious and sad that this discussion is even occurring.

For a very large part of the male population, masculinity is dead. I only see this trend increasing.

Throughout human history, some of the most masculine, powerful men were strong providers for the women in their lives - wives, daughters, mistresses...

Society's elite usually had first pick of beautiful women. They were not distributed to the paupers with silken tongues professing love, but to the royals with silken sheets adorning beds. :)
 

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Throughout human history, some of the most masculine, powerful men were strong providers for the women in their lives - wives, daughters, mistresses...

Also the most cucked men have been strong providers, what’s your point?
 

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There is a difference between being a provider who is also masculine and a dude that buys pussy and affection because he’s to insecure to learn actual game. Please dont compare yourself to the royals of times past; its laughable.

I’m a live and let live kind of guy. If you like to pay for women’s time then continue to do so but I find it a bit annoying to see you in other threads trying to give people seduction advice when you are clearly not a seducer.
 
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