thoughts on this PUA?

[Karea Ricardus D.]

When I checked out his X account last year it was mostly videos of him going around in a hoodie finding beginner day gamers approaching chicks in EE then coming in to wreck their sets. Like some guy would approach a girl and then this dude Bayne would immediately roll up and be like, "Yo dude, so did your herpes outbreak clear up? Is that why you're talking to this girl?" or whatever and the girl would just immediately leave.

Sounds like a good way to get punched in the fucking mouth

 

[Ratata]

Why do people think it's normal to film other people without their consent and put it publicly on Youtube? These guys are violating basic rights of these girls by exposing them on Youtube without them knowing. And if they are holding nude photos of them and sharing them, then it gets really worse, it's criminal.

Depending on where you are, different laws and rights apply. In Britain you're generally allowed to film in public places, for example (though I don't know where these videos were made specifically). The portrait or identity of specific people may still be protected, however. And they certainly are under EU GDPR. Thus, if you film without consent you are at the very least obliged to smear out the identity of people you've filmed. That also goes for their voice. (Though there are sometimes certain caveats in place for particularly newsworthy events, where the identity of photographed individuals can still be revealed, but these are normally exceptions.)

Posting nudes without consent is illegal in most countries, however. It's a horrible breach of trust that IMHO should be punished accordingly. And sorry in advance for moralizing but IMHO such activity does not serve our community either.

 

[bayne]

What's up forum nerds just saw that thread

First of all imagine still sitting on a forum discussing PUAs stuff in 2025, absolute hell.

If you guys wanna talk shit say it to my face live. We are hosting weekly spaces on Twitter.

Link to the last one: https://x.com/bayneframer/status/1971001690255220752

If you have the balls to take the mic say you are from the nerd forum so I remember it

See ya

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

I disagree with many of the opinions in this thread. I understand why you have those opinions, but I disagree.

I think the guy doesn't really suck at what he's doing, even though it may look like it. I think I understand what effect he's achieving and how it can work for him.

IMO:

1. He's good looking.
2. Dress well matched to the target audience if these are young Ukrainian girls.
3. His game, while clumsy, feels natural and safe.

I'm Polish and we have lots of Ukrainian girls here in Poland.

I've seen plenty of young Ukrainians guys dressed like him with hot young Ukrainian girls.

If you judge his game by Western "smooth social guy" standards, then sure - he sucks. But I can see why his game could really be working despite that.

Doesn't look that impressive to me,

It isn't impressive, but it feels natural. Like a socially awkward normal guy. Who also happens to be good looking and is dressed for the demographic. I think from their point of view, he has good "boyfriend value".

If somebody is analizing him from the typical Western PUA "lover value" or "socially experienced, smooth guy value" point of view, then he sucks.

His fundamentals are shit... And he sucks...

No, you just don't understand the effect he's basing on.

I always wanted to know how he cold approached and I saw his infields yesterday. Horrible. I wonder how he's able to fùck these girls with such bad cold approach skills. Maybe his IG is dope or something or he has great texting skills

He's not horrible in terms of practical image he's creating.

You're judging him in the context of western "smooth game". But you're not a young Ukrainian girl, aren't you?

I've seen dozens of Ukrainian guys with hot young Ukrainian girls, having a similar image like him.

His approaching in Russian, social frame wise totally different compared most of Anglo sphere

YES that's the thing - different cultural sphere.

My conclusion was that it has to be a social frame thing combined with a super optimised social media profile that shows tons of social proof/cool lifestyle. He fits an archetype that the girls find attractive, so even though his cold approach skills suck, he closes them anyway after they switch over to social media.

Yes, he fits into a "type" that young Ukrainian girls find attractive.

Gold digger game, basically.

Kind of. It's also visually well callibrated specifically for young Ukrainian girls.

LoL. Poland is not a easy country, is it a fluke or you're saying it's achievable consistently?

I think it depends on the style of the guy and on the type of girls.

What's up forum nerds just saw that thread

First of all imagine still sitting on a forum discussing PUAs stuff in 2025, absolute hell.

Lame remark. Nothing wrong with people talking about their favorite hobby.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

I disagree with many of the opinions in this thread. I understand why you have those opinions, but I disagree.

I think the guy doesn't really suck at what he's doing, even though it may look like it. I think I understand what effect he's achieving and how it can work for him.

IMO:

1. He's good looking.
2. Dress well matched to the target audience if these are young Ukrainian girls.
3. His game, while clumsy, feels natural and safe.

I'm Polish and we have lots of Ukrainian girls here in Poland.

I've seen plenty of young Ukrainians guys dressed like him with hot young Ukrainian girls.

If you judge his game by Western "smooth social guy" standards, then sure - he sucks. But I can see why his game could really be working despite that.




It isn't impressive, but it feels natural. Like a socially awkward normal guy. Who also happens to be good looking and is dressed for the demographic. I think from their point of view, he has good "boyfriend value".

If somebody is analizing him from the typical Western PUA "lover value" or "socially experienced, smooth guy value" point of view, then he sucks.



No, you just don't understand the effect he's basing on.



He's not horrible in terms of practical image he's creating.

You're judging him in the context of western "smooth game". But you're not a young Ukrainian girl, aren't you?

I've seen dozens of Ukrainian guys with hot young Ukrainian girls, having a similar image like him.

No, you have not seen "many" Ukrainian guys dressed like him with hot Ukrainian girls. Even he says he doesn't see guys approaching or with girls like him. So stop the cap.

He's doing provider & lover boy game with average fundamentals and approaches. His money/lifestyle and in a lot of cases him persisting for months is what gets him laid.

YES that's the thing - different cultural sphere.



Yes, he fits into a "type" that young Ukrainian girls find attractive.



Kind of. It's also visually well callibrated specifically for young Ukrainian girls.



I think it depends on the style of the guy and on the type of girls.



Lame remark. Nothing wrong with people talking about their favorite hobby.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

No, you have not seen "many" Ukrainian guys dressed like him with hot Ukrainian girls.

Do you seriously think you know better what I see or do not see in my life?

Yes, I've seen many young Ukrainian guys dressed like that with young hot Ukrainian girls.

(So I'm not amazed he might be getting laid. I think his image is well callibrated to his target audience.)

 

[770]

What's up forum nerds just saw that thread

First of all imagine still sitting on a forum discussing PUAs stuff in 2025, absolute hell.

If you guys wanna talk shit say it to my face live. We are hosting weekly spaces on Twitter.

Link to the last one: https://x.com/bayneframer/status/1971001690255220752

If you have the balls to take the mic say you are from the nerd forum so I remember it

See ya

I looked briefly over his twitter. He probably has some kind of autism, and has a kid with a random girl he cold approached. Feel bad for the kid.

I agree doesn’t have much game but you don’t need anything but basic conversation skills if you’re tall and white especially in his country

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Do you seriously think you know better what I see or do not see in my life?

Yes, I've seen many young Ukrainian guys dressed like that with young hot Ukrainian girls.

(So I'm not amazed he might be getting laid. I think his image is well callibrated to his target audience.)

Nah you haven't mate.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Nah you haven't mate.

You're delusional.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

and negan be like

Are you retarded?

I live in a city where there are many thousands of Ukrainian immigrants. I see Ukrainians everyday, including young Ukrainian women.

 

[Atlas IV]

It isn't impressive, but it feels natural. Like a socially awkward normal guy. Who also happens to be good looking and is dressed for the demographic. I think from their point of view, he has good "boyfriend value".

If somebody is analizing him from the typical Western PUA "lover value" or "socially experienced, smooth guy value" point of view, then he sucks.

@CharmingPsychopath has the correct conclusion here. And this aligns with what I've seen in other countries.

Local guys with poor "game" from a PUA standpoint, but upfront appearance massively dialed in. They get the hottest girls, very consistently, just by fitting the girls social frame and being persistent.

Being socially awkward is acceptable (and even feels normal and reassuring) for the girls because most Gen Z are so these days. I believe that's why this style of "game" works in 2025. Girls judge you for your appearance now more than ever (thanks to social media).

Of course, having dialed in style AND solid game gives you an unimaginable edge over these guys, so I don't advocate copying these guys at all. Just rationalizing why it seems inexplicable from a PUA standpoint, yet it does work.

 

[CharmingPsychopath]

Local guys with poor "game" from a PUA standpoint, but upfront appearance massively dialed in. They get the hottest girls, very consistently, just by fitting the girls social frame and being persistent.

Yes.

I especially see it a lot when it comes to Ukrainians - even from my Polish point of view, I'm often surprised by how some really hot Ukrainian girls have awkward, clueless looking let's say "beta male" kind of boyfriends.

Poland used to be more like that, but now it's less so.

Is it different in the West, especially in the USA? I've noticed some really weird vibes from some American women I've met - strangely arrogant and anti-feminine - they felt like aliens from a different planet. But Western European women seem normal to me.

BTW I find it strange that I agree with I think everything Gunwitch says - who is American, but I often disagree with other schools of Western PUA.

Being socially awkward is acceptable (and even feels normal and reassuring) for the girls because most Gen Z are so these days.

I agree being social awkard is acceptable, even reassuring - because the girl thinks the guy is safe due to being harmless, soft, even "feminine". But I disagree about Gen Z being the cause - I've seen this a lot before Gen Z.

 

[James Cruse]

I'd never seen Bayne's infields - and if this is his standard seduction: he's not doing ANY actual seduction.

Additionally, Eastern Europeans being approached by normal western European men is a lay-up, especially with the lack of men due to the war.

I can't take this guys seriously.

Does he have any videos of seductions in his native France or in a first world country?

 

[JollyRoger]

I don't see why this guy can't be having success with this method. He's not bad looking (not sure if he's good looking though) and his aesthetic fits his target demographic. Just because it's not flashy game doesn't mean it can't get results.

 

[James Cruse]

What's up forum nerds just saw that thread

First of all imagine still sitting on a forum discussing PUAs stuff in 2025, absolute hell.

If you guys wanna talk shit say it to my face live. We are hosting weekly spaces on Twitter.

Link to the last one: https://x.com/bayneframer/status/1971001690255220752

If you have the balls to take the mic say you are from the nerd forum so I remember it

See ya

You literally did zero seduction in either of these videos. I think that's a fairly simple claim.

Also, why target mostly Eastern Europeans.

It surely shouldn't take long to answer that here mate.

Plenty of people go "on the mic" here, who cares if they're on a mic or not?

 

[Will_V]

Why does this thread even exist? If anyone wants to copy him and see if it works, just go ahead.

1. Dress up in a hoodie
2. Walk up to girls
3. Run some basic back and forth
4. Ask for IG

What else is there? Am I missing something? Should be pretty easy to field test literally everything in those videos.

The guy is confident, his voice is well projected, probably the rest of his nonverbals are fine, and he stays chill throughout. He's a bit awkward with the conversation, ran out of things to say to the first girl and had to call her back, went a lot smoother with the second one. It wasn't a masterclass in anything, but nothing horribly wrong with it.

I'm willing to bet that he's got an exceptional IG and uses that as his hook to make up for his lackluster game. Nothing wrong with going down that route if you want to. But the videos have little of value to show, certainly I don't see anything original or advanced going on there.

As usual with these videos, you never know what's real or fake. So if you're not sure about something specific, just field test it. Simple.

 

[mirror]

Popped up on my youtube feed.
His vids were just roasting every single PUA, going over their infields and talking about how bad they were

He then started uploading his own. Doesn't look that impressive to me, but then, even the girl in this set was apparently chasing him hard via texts after the approach and he says he'll bang her tonight (and judging from his telegram he'll upload proof. He has hundreds of 'reciepts' on his telegram of these girls naked)

HAHAHAHAHAHA I loved it hahahahahaa
Okay so elements:
1) he doesnt take the girls frame BUT he only acts socially calibrated.
2) Shows interest in her interests but is escalating the interaction at every other sentence. It's in his voice, bodylanguage, posturing and even the way and speed he talks. He takes incremental escalations and then checks her response to adapt a bit

3) His basics are fine and he shows off high social value. The fact that he is foreign gives him an edge, because he can act more cocky without having to pay any penalty.

4) he is leading the convo, which so many men and people dont know how to do.

5) he is just going with basic questions and things that are "appropriate' in such a setting. Many people seem to miss the fact that having whole dates on the sidewalk is just creating too much. Just a bit of small talk with give the fantasy much more.

 

[mirror]

certainly I don't see anything original or advanced going on there.

This is exactly it! The whole "not original or advanced"
You dont need to be exceptional if you have the basics on your side. He is nonthreathening. But unusually well calibrated

 

[mirror]

You literally did zero seduction in either of these videos. I think that's a fairly simple claim.

I saw a lot of seduction there actually. He was doing incremental escalations ALL the time. These girls were not 5-7's, the girls were used to getting attention. Every slight escalation or deviation from normal might be noticed because it's a sign of danger. And they accepted it. He moved a little bit back or went a little bit awkward every time the girl responded negatively
(It wasnt perfectly adhered to all the time, but it showed enough intent)
That said, his game would not work for the guys that have another less favourable stereotype at the start.
But it's good stuff for what it is alright

 

[Ratata]

Hot take: Begging works! If begging didn't work, nobody would do it.

I give you Begging Game 2025:

1. Dresscode: Hoodie, worn jeans, and old converse. Even better if you've actually slept under a bridge tonight.
2. Behaviour: Look as needy as possible. Mirror this in your mental space too. This works better if you're already depressed.
3. Game Time: Go up to random women, preferably those who look really busy as if thye need to catch a train. Then tell them "Omg I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm really, really Social Media poor. Can I have your IG, puweeaaaase?"