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@Skills,
As I know it (anyone please correct me if I have the facts wrong):
Only one I don't know is @Fluxcapacitor. I think I was talking to him about doing some work for GC last year? But I always fall really far behind on email... I am a few months behind on just sitting down to email and going through all the emails I have, I know there are a lot of folks I haven't replied to. Seemed like he was already getting less active after that run he had early last year I think it was. Sometimes that happens -- guys have a run of success, get to where they wanted to get to, and drift away / don't come back.
Chase
As I know it (anyone please correct me if I have the facts wrong):
- @Lofty dialed back his activity after getting doxxed by @Velasco and never really returned.
- @Gunwitch was a casualty of the drama with He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. He was already at a lower posting volume after suffering a personal loss. He vanished more or less completely when that other guy made war on half the community and got the boot. Those two were (maybe still are?) close.
- @Cody Lyans (TheCostOfSuccess / Cosy) is in the UK... last we talked he was working security and aiming to get back into MMA shape to take a shot at an MMA title.
- @Vision is doing fine, has a girl he's seeing now so probably not much need to post on here ATM.
- @trashKENNUT / ZacAdam received a warning after the Muslim girl stuff. He has totally refrained from posting since then
Only one I don't know is @Fluxcapacitor. I think I was talking to him about doing some work for GC last year? But I always fall really far behind on email... I am a few months behind on just sitting down to email and going through all the emails I have, I know there are a lot of folks I haven't replied to. Seemed like he was already getting less active after that run he had early last year I think it was. Sometimes that happens -- guys have a run of success, get to where they wanted to get to, and drift away / don't come back.
Chase
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We need new blood. Mystery is making the rounds on all the big podcasts at the moment, so maybe that will spark a revival in the community.
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I think there is a bit of fatigue involved as well... I have been active for quite some years right now but notice that I post less and less, despite that enough is happening. Even reading articles has become a bit more difficult despite that I have always read it so eagerly.
and yeah agreed with @Karea Ricardus D. Place needs new blood.
and yeah agreed with @Karea Ricardus D. Place needs new blood.
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They reminded me about lofty, he got a girlfriend and wanted to focus on biz... What happened with vel was not doxxing he got mad I quoted him, I got warned by mods on that... Though people quote name we can not mention lol...
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Wrote a piece about how to get new blood here, will link it later.
Vets are getting old...
Geez, I'll be 45 this year...still young, but not that young anymore
And once I find a nice chick that's crazy enough to pop out some kids, all the while
having FFM 3 somes with me on the side, I'll probably be gone for a while.
Vets are getting old...
Geez, I'll be 45 this year...still young, but not that young anymore
And once I find a nice chick that's crazy enough to pop out some kids, all the while
having FFM 3 somes with me on the side, I'll probably be gone for a while.
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"Could be that the era of having a big wallet and big dick is starting to trump the era of fundamentals, and nlp verbals".
Please dont say stuff like this. Sounds like a Girls only want guys with Big muscles/White/Tall/Rich in disguise and we don't need to start those any of those beaten to death discussions again.
Fundamentals is not an "era" and it never will be. It's just you're self presentation/appearance.
Amazing fundamentals + amazing verbals = drowning in pussy
We definitely do need a revival in the community, this is one of the best forums on the whole interent, more skilled and younger members would always be a plus
Please dont say stuff like this. Sounds like a Girls only want guys with Big muscles/White/Tall/Rich in disguise and we don't need to start those any of those beaten to death discussions again.
Fundamentals is not an "era" and it never will be. It's just you're self presentation/appearance.
Amazing fundamentals + amazing verbals = drowning in pussy
We definitely do need a revival in the community, this is one of the best forums on the whole interent, more skilled and younger members would always be a plus
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Still lots of active forums online. I know there's been a move to other social media sites. But you can find plenty of forums that are very active. "Forums are a dying medium" seems to be one of those things we keep hearing, like email is a dying medium, articles are a dying medium, etc., and yet all this stuff keeps working the same as it always has, same levels of engagement, etc.
Seems more to be the case that certain subject areas fall out of popular favor and attract less attention, places die, etc. I don't know about 4chan for sure but it was heavily targeted by intelligence agencies a few years ago seeking to disrupt it as a place of, basically, dissenting conversation. If you don't mod out that stuff really well, and you are being targeted by spooks, the conversation is going to go to shit very quick and real people are just going to quit coming.
Re: forum activity, I've had a lot of good suggestions and appreciate plenty more. Also talked with @Hector Papi Castillo the other day; some takeaways from that conversation:
I was sort of curious about the incel forum idea... until I checked it out more deeply. They have a whole wiki page there about how PUA is a scam where both it doesn't work because only LMS works and also it does work but it's nasty evil manipulative conversational trickery. "Talk her into ignoring your lack of LMS with diabolical tricks no ethical incel would use, and by the way only LMS works, too, as well!"
Also, we tried advertising on Return of King years back, which was more PUA-friendly than incels are, but still pretty anti-PUA... we were getting attacked a lot on there, then other guys would defend us and say no, those guys are legit. But in the end we spent about $2200 and made like $2300 back from it. Very few guys who ended up becoming customers or long-term readers have ever said "I found you guys through RoK." I am pretty sure targeting an incel forum would be like RoK on steroids. Those guys' minds are made up even more than the RoK guys' were.
I still think the big problem seduction has is that 15 years ago it seemed like this awesome magic pill: "Yes, even you can learn to excel with girls!"
But now most guys are like, "Eh, that's just B.S. marketing to get your cash. That doesn't actually work. Even if it does it's too much work to be worth it."
So they just go to incel forums or red pill sites and complain.
Chase
Seems more to be the case that certain subject areas fall out of popular favor and attract less attention, places die, etc. I don't know about 4chan for sure but it was heavily targeted by intelligence agencies a few years ago seeking to disrupt it as a place of, basically, dissenting conversation. If you don't mod out that stuff really well, and you are being targeted by spooks, the conversation is going to go to shit very quick and real people are just going to quit coming.
Re: forum activity, I've had a lot of good suggestions and appreciate plenty more. Also talked with @Hector Papi Castillo the other day; some takeaways from that conversation:
- We should have a more prominent link to the forum on the main site. Right now it's very hidden.
- It might be a good idea to regularly feature good posts from the forum on the main site. Maybe I could make it a weekly thing, like how we do Tactics Tuesdays most weeks. Seducer Saturdays perhaps?
- Updates from the forum on the main site. We actually have this built in already to the new main site theme... which is 4 years overdue. I need to get on pushing that to completion... soon...
- More interaction from top guys on the forum. I used to try to dedicate one day a month to just nothing but responding on the forum. Especially at a day every month or two to responding to Field Reports... I think that's the most important board for getting quality members involved in the community. Both Hector and I have had multiple guys tell us they got involved due to getting a response on an early post from him or me and feeling like the top guys were interacting with them. Field Report breakdowns are a lot of work but most of the guys we've had become significant members are guys who started out posting a bunch of field reports, lay reports, etc. Those are the guys who are in the field and really learning this stuff and can contribute a lot later on.
- I should also suggest more in articles and the newsletter that guys get over on the forum, post their questions, post field reports, start a journal, etc.
I was sort of curious about the incel forum idea... until I checked it out more deeply. They have a whole wiki page there about how PUA is a scam where both it doesn't work because only LMS works and also it does work but it's nasty evil manipulative conversational trickery. "Talk her into ignoring your lack of LMS with diabolical tricks no ethical incel would use, and by the way only LMS works, too, as well!"
Also, we tried advertising on Return of King years back, which was more PUA-friendly than incels are, but still pretty anti-PUA... we were getting attacked a lot on there, then other guys would defend us and say no, those guys are legit. But in the end we spent about $2200 and made like $2300 back from it. Very few guys who ended up becoming customers or long-term readers have ever said "I found you guys through RoK." I am pretty sure targeting an incel forum would be like RoK on steroids. Those guys' minds are made up even more than the RoK guys' were.
I still think the big problem seduction has is that 15 years ago it seemed like this awesome magic pill: "Yes, even you can learn to excel with girls!"
But now most guys are like, "Eh, that's just B.S. marketing to get your cash. That doesn't actually work. Even if it does it's too much work to be worth it."
So they just go to incel forums or red pill sites and complain.
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again nitpick, not saying "ideal" i am saying that game is can be used to get around the look money and status..... But if you got the lms you can leverage it with your game, but still game and exchanging sex for sex(teevester) vs sex for material value, status etc... optimal... Anyways, i know you get it... I am nitpicking for lurkers...
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Definitely agree.
I had been reading GC for maybe 2 years before I even noticed the forum.
And the few times I accidently clicked on it before finally joining I thought I had clicked on some kind of advertisement and closed the tab lol.
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I've said this many times, but pua advice in 2005 was "magic." When I found speed seduction patterns I was like "When I learn these hypnotic scripts I'll be the master and have my pick of all the hottest girls." I then found out speed seduction was old news, and Mystery Method was the shit. Then I found the annihilation method, which lead me to actually reading the game.
By that time, RSD was just releasing Transformation, the Jeffy Show, Then the Blueprint, Flawless Natural. Man, it was such an exciting time with all this magic philosophy. "State" based game also felt "magic." Just pump up your nimbus and get all the girls you want.
There was almost no infield footage so when you did find some online it was absolutely fascinating. Then RSD started doing hotseats, and I bought my $300 ticket and saw Juliens. Then, I was like... that's it? They're just walking around outside the bars and smoke pits hitting on girls, exactly how I've been doing it for the last two years. It's not magic at all. It's just a grind.
The more and more I met pua dudes, the more I realized none of them were saying or doing anything magical. They just had charisma and were willing to get rejected a lot more than every other guy. Some were really good looking, some were funny, some were mystical (Mystery) some could dance well, some just liked to get wasted and hook up with other alcoholic chicks.
Then it went mainstream, and all that underground advice was being taught by WOMEN. And then it was in Men's Health magazine, and BBC. Now, there's not a dude out there who hasn't read some pua advice that has been taught as being "natural" or "not that pua stuff." It wasn't magic at all, just common sense.
It went completely "natural." Just go to the gym, be social, stop caring what people think about you. The whole magic the gathering nerd factor disappeared completely, and that is what hooked a lot of guys.
Redpill and Blackpill is super popular right now. There aren't really many big thought leaders like there was on Youtube in the RSD, Daygame.com days. Those guys were SUPER influential. Most of the puas of that time got married, moved into marketing careers, etc.
Also, online "Instagram" game is really big at the moment. For 99% of guys it's a lot of bullshit, but it has a bit more of the "magic" factor to it.
Now you can find limitless daygame examples on Youtube, tik tok, instagram. It's abundant. I do an infield video and it gets 2k views. Ten years ago it would get 15k - 30k.
Eventually some dude in a wizard cape will start teaching a new "magic" method to get chicks and it could take off. But for now, it's going back to the nerds in the small forums. The advice is not new or shiny. It's like part of the self development circuit. Get muscles, make money, meditate, learn to approach.
You'll notice Ross Jeffries and Mystery appearing again because men like the idea of "magic." The niche of "manifestation" is HUGE right now. Men are dying for some spirituality. Everything right now is soooo practical. This was exciting for the nerds who weren't succeeding with magic 5 years ago, now it's just boring.
Now with AI on the way, intelligent sexbots are maybe ten or twenty years off. Plus, most people will be living in augmented reality, so you'll be able to make any ugly girl look as beautiful as you want. Also, I hardly even Google stuff anymore. My AI answers most questions. Once AI like FreedomGPT, or Grok, etc stop lying, even pua advice will be available. Things are gonna get weird.
By that time, RSD was just releasing Transformation, the Jeffy Show, Then the Blueprint, Flawless Natural. Man, it was such an exciting time with all this magic philosophy. "State" based game also felt "magic." Just pump up your nimbus and get all the girls you want.
There was almost no infield footage so when you did find some online it was absolutely fascinating. Then RSD started doing hotseats, and I bought my $300 ticket and saw Juliens. Then, I was like... that's it? They're just walking around outside the bars and smoke pits hitting on girls, exactly how I've been doing it for the last two years. It's not magic at all. It's just a grind.
The more and more I met pua dudes, the more I realized none of them were saying or doing anything magical. They just had charisma and were willing to get rejected a lot more than every other guy. Some were really good looking, some were funny, some were mystical (Mystery) some could dance well, some just liked to get wasted and hook up with other alcoholic chicks.
Then it went mainstream, and all that underground advice was being taught by WOMEN. And then it was in Men's Health magazine, and BBC. Now, there's not a dude out there who hasn't read some pua advice that has been taught as being "natural" or "not that pua stuff." It wasn't magic at all, just common sense.
It went completely "natural." Just go to the gym, be social, stop caring what people think about you. The whole magic the gathering nerd factor disappeared completely, and that is what hooked a lot of guys.
Redpill and Blackpill is super popular right now. There aren't really many big thought leaders like there was on Youtube in the RSD, Daygame.com days. Those guys were SUPER influential. Most of the puas of that time got married, moved into marketing careers, etc.
Also, online "Instagram" game is really big at the moment. For 99% of guys it's a lot of bullshit, but it has a bit more of the "magic" factor to it.
Now you can find limitless daygame examples on Youtube, tik tok, instagram. It's abundant. I do an infield video and it gets 2k views. Ten years ago it would get 15k - 30k.
Eventually some dude in a wizard cape will start teaching a new "magic" method to get chicks and it could take off. But for now, it's going back to the nerds in the small forums. The advice is not new or shiny. It's like part of the self development circuit. Get muscles, make money, meditate, learn to approach.
You'll notice Ross Jeffries and Mystery appearing again because men like the idea of "magic." The niche of "manifestation" is HUGE right now. Men are dying for some spirituality. Everything right now is soooo practical. This was exciting for the nerds who weren't succeeding with magic 5 years ago, now it's just boring.
Now with AI on the way, intelligent sexbots are maybe ten or twenty years off. Plus, most people will be living in augmented reality, so you'll be able to make any ugly girl look as beautiful as you want. Also, I hardly even Google stuff anymore. My AI answers most questions. Once AI like FreedomGPT, or Grok, etc stop lying, even pua advice will be available. Things are gonna get weird.
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With how much shit I get about it I thought I was the only one... I barely ever Google anything anymore lmao. I just ask my good ole buddy ChatGPT for most random questions I have throughout the day
Granted, for anything more in-depth still need Google but even then I'll probably still start on Chat
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I love this idea. Think this would incentivize a lot of good, creative content being contributed.
Maybe we could even feature notable LRs? Though this might be dangerous. I have some raunchy LRs I do not want getting out
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I chatted with Gun a last year around the time of Dec on chat. His currently in a LTR right now... so probably can't chat up a storm like before, hopefully he comes back in the near future.
Doubt is because of the "eel" dude. pretty sure Gun could differentiate between who's right and wrong
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Currently acquiring the bag.
Proving to be harder than I initially thought
I could game side by side but my logistics really make me not want to try.
A big goal of mine is still to get ridiculously good with influence and woman. Just not the main goal rn.
Not sure about the others but I know they're all pursuing something else rn
Proving to be harder than I initially thought
I could game side by side but my logistics really make me not want to try.
A big goal of mine is still to get ridiculously good with influence and woman. Just not the main goal rn.
Not sure about the others but I know they're all pursuing something else rn
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lobo my son! Miss you, get that bag soon, so you can pimp again...Currently acquiring the bag.
Proving to be harder than I initially thought
I could game side by side but my logistics really make me not want to try.
A big goal of mine is still to get ridiculously good with influence and woman. Just not the main goal rn.
Not sure about the others but I know they're all pursuing something else rn
Gunwitch posted this before disappearing: https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/fun-asshole-humor-tips.27945/#post-165502
Maybe @Bacchus knows where @Gunwitch, @Cody Lyans, and @Lofty went since they all reviewed his audio course.
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People go, some vanish, many come back (sometimes out of the blue) and of course... new guys appear.
The last category is often underappreciated because many of them started out as nabs and veterans and older forum member still hold such perception of them... and they start believing the forums are filled with noobs and too few pros... but that is because they don't see, or don't want to see the new masters coming along and insteas, due to their biases make them all nostalgic.
Until you realize those noobs and average seducers reach mastery...
And as a veteran, I freaking love it.
I see many guys who I know from my personal experience will get good. I see them go through similar phases as I did.
It is all rinse and repeat.
And that is a good thing.
The last category is often underappreciated because many of them started out as nabs and veterans and older forum member still hold such perception of them... and they start believing the forums are filled with noobs and too few pros... but that is because they don't see, or don't want to see the new masters coming along and insteas, due to their biases make them all nostalgic.
Until you realize those noobs and average seducers reach mastery...
And as a veteran, I freaking love it.
I see many guys who I know from my personal experience will get good. I see them go through similar phases as I did.
It is all rinse and repeat.
And that is a good thing.
Yes I think a mix of both is best, new masters and old masters since it takes long for guys to master game.
Not many ar willing to stick with it long enough for mastery which is why encouragement from veterans like you is great. But I don't know how many new masters have come along since Covid lockdowns.
I think this place is solid for helping guys get good.
I joined this forum because of Lofty's posts since I never saw anyone get good that fast before.
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Look, you cannot compare an up and coming guy and a guy who has been into it for 10+ years. But whereas the old guys have more of a deeper understanding, and a "seen it all" attitude, there is one thing they lack (myself included): drive. Veterans are lazy. We go out less (I used to go out 2-3 a week last year, this year I focus on other things and only go out once a week). Even when I did went out 2-3 times a week, I wasn't overly experimental, I wasn't trying too much and honestly, I wasn't that often interested in dealing with odd cases, which based on experience, have low chances of succeeding.
But the up and coming guys don't have this problem. They are motivated, they try new things, they are curious, and they want to "jump into it" even when their odds are not in their favor (and sometimes, the world is strange.... weird things can happen). They are also not slaves to past biases and all that.
They also tend to be more active on forums and their experiences and ideas are refreshing. Of course the consistency in the advice of a veteran may be superior, but for most beginners and intermediates alike, the advice from an up and coming seducer is more than good enough. You don't need a veteran who has seen it all to answer trivial questions. I have plenty of students, many are intermediate, some were (emphasis on were) upper intermediates. I used to tell them "You are not special, and that's a good thing" and what I meant by that is, your case is not unique - your experience... I have seen before or experienced myself. And that's a good thing, because it makes it easier to tackle. The odd weird cases are very very rare.
So would I like a forum filled with old