To me, someone who has experience in these matters, there are two sides to the coin:
#1: Uncalibrated social behavior
The opening phase should be
calibrated or else the seducer is basically trying to stop a moving train from the get-go.
Actions such as chasing girls, abrupt "street stops," overt touch, etc., must be avoided. What we are trying to avoid is "creep vibe" or that "something is off" from her perspective, or else she will likely be able to detect that something is just not safe. This is why our game should be designed to reduce knee-jerk reactions - so we can begin to work real influence rather than by force or sheer volume. The goal where the opening phase is to just GET IN her mind... NOT her pussy.
Furthermore, a seducer MUST be able to continuously assess the state of the target and how she is feeling at that time. And also, have flexible behavior during the interaction to adjust for any sudden changes in her state. On top of this is the absolutely vital point of being able to diffuse situations.
There comes a point where you should not persist any more. ESPECIALLY physically. Again, coming from someone whose primary focus is SNLs and overall is persistent as fuck,
SMMA-style.
If these are not followed then it is essentially risking social terrorism.
#2: Increased tendency for women to escalate "bad interaction" to "legal situation"
Nowadays there is not only increased incentive for women to escalate situations legally but also expanded platforms to do so. Note the language of the woman in the post, language of which clearly indicates trite expressions of "feeling empwered" and "fighting back."
To her, it is far from about her own safety. Instead, it becomes a badge of honor to plaster across her breasts in that she, too, is a victim who deserves validating attention. That she too has been through the maltreatment that the media tells her she has and now too deserves some social media likes for it. Note how she posted it on Reddit in the first place and offers plenty of nice DMing opportunities to dox the guy into oblivion, patting herself on the back for bringing police in along the way.
However, this does not even come close to excusing that there was something clearly wrong with this guy's game. The fact that within five minutes he was already doing uncalibrated things to the point where she "got away safely" shows that she probably DID feel threatened.
Remember, she came to go on the walk with him. She must have flipped from generally receptive to unsettled very quickly - the behavior of the guy is the reason for this. And on top of that, it seems like he was not able to read the signs that she was giving... at all. Bad persistence gone too far, trying to do too much too soon, and not being able to diffuse when things went wrong. The fact that her friend also had a negative experience shows how it is not necessarily correct to leave the man devoid of blame and simply point the finger at these women and feminist society here.
In my understanding, in the Western past not too long ago, an interaction such as this would have simply went down as a "bad interaction." The girl would have been creeped out a bit because the guy "came on too strong" or something, she'd tell her friends about it, in which it was really too bad because he seemed nice at first, and then onto the next date. Both parties move on with their lives. At least that's what I've heard. And most scenarios like this nowadays probably do go down like that, too.
But that's not how it works all the time - not because this behavior is any worse than it used to be, though because it is simply popularized to legalize situations with wider opportunities to do so, and the social backing to support the decision.
Really, though, it doesn't matter. Because what it boils down to is one thing: the girl feeling unsafe.
After that girl hugged me and offered her number, I then did something that made her feel unsafe and didn't even attempt to address her feelings. It was still all about ME... I was in MY head about what I wanted... and not HER. Influence needs to be about HER.
My perspective of how harmless my actions were became completely irrelevant because in her mind, I was creepy.
And so was this guy. The "creep detection" sirens went blaring.
As such, he WAS harassing her... in a way. Not saying that in legal terms. But in social terms.
Once more, note how she was receptive at the approach... so obviously she's not an evil, unfuckable woman and could have even been seduced to bed. He did things to change her state very negatively, and kept on going. Bad.
So don't do that because as we've discussed, there is a much greater likelihood of "bad feelings" having "legal implications."
What do we do now?
Game isn't dead. Far from it. People fuck, and people want to fuck. We just need to make them want to be fucked by us while mitigating the potential risks to ourselves. And remember, plenty of top seducers have had ZERO legal issues. ZERO. Those that I know of in this group include Teevster, Carousel, Bacchus, and surely plenty of others.
It's not like it's a ticking time-bomb, rather, it's up to us to learn how do do things properly and safely for all involved parties.
How to do this?
Personally, I think it begins with
learning calibration from day one while engaging in extremely low-risk social behavior. Intertwined with this is a commitment to learn how to influence people (not just women) with
verbals. It's a long journey, but I think that's the way to go for the long haul.
Influence. That's seduction. Get in her mind and
allow her to exploit her own desires.
Read the plethora of articles on this website.
Use the resources we have. Don't be scared of the potential of your own progress. Get feedback here, but
make the efforts first.
Overall, here are some things (far from all) I've noticed to maximize our seduction chances while mitigating risk:
DON'T:
- Run after girls
- Open from behind (until you really know what the fuck you're doing, at least)
- Abruptly do "street-stops" (until you really know what the fuck you're doing, at least)
- Initiate heavy touch too soon (play it safe, arouse her verbally until you know you're good and then start small)
- Persist with physical force
- Persist if she is obviously feeling distressed
- Approach girls who are obviously too drunk/druggy to be properly functioning
- Be brashly sexual too soon (can still be sexual in calibrated ways from early)
DO:
- Open with sprezzatura - learn how to "meet cute." This avoids the "creepy guy randomly approaching all the girls" perception
- Induce the AI to make her think she gave you the go-ahead to approach
- Work on your fundamentals to ensure a safe, calm, generally warm vibe
- Gain enough social experience in low-risk settings so that you can properly assess her state as it's changing
- Get the hang of the social frame concept and Gunwitch's 3 keys at large
- Learn verbal game to influence and arouse her in calibrated, seduction-conducive ways
- Understand how to diffuse situations in which something was a little off
- Build compliance, and keep building it
- Consider using an alias and Google Voice to limit your reputation and add some protection if things go wrong
- Show an understanding of her reality by contrasting yourself against the creepy guys who harass her
- Work to ensure she's all in all having a positive experience, including post-lay
That's just a start based off my experiences so far.
So if you're new to this seduction thing, no whining or hysteria based on the world we live in.
Join me in learning how to do things how we have to do them.
