Why No Fap Doesn't Work

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Wouldn't your brain see it as the same thing?
I like the idea that masturbating to my imagination is 'ok', but what if you're imagining a good porn scene that you once saw?!
Mmmm good point. With imagination though there are some slight differences
1) you have to actually put in mental effort, unlike porn where you have everything you want and more just by clicking, which makes it less enticing (it's easier to be too tired to fap when you don't have porn)
2) sometimes you'll actually discover things about yourself while playing with yourself that you wouldn't have found if you'd gone on porn
3) you'll sometimes start with imagination/even just coming home really horny after a night out where you had many good sexually charged interactions with hot girls, but halfway through just switch to focusing on the sensation, while porn will keep your attention focused on the screen at all times.
 

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I’ve been no fap since 2018.

Granted, T isn’t as high as it used to be when I was powerlifting in 2015. Back then I would fap two or three times a week.

Also, I’m rehabilitating L5S1 herniated disc and still working on healing Candida urethra and bladder infection from a condom-less January 2020 shag. So not in optimal physical condition ATM (and have had herniated and unhealed lumbar since March 2017).

Thing is, even back when I used to fap more recently I had become interested in fapping and not ejaculating, so as to keep my life-essence.

For me the logic behind no-fap is that if I really want pussy I need to get out of my door and go hunt for it. There is no other way (I do have plenty of nudes of babes I’ve smashed, and even a home-made “porno” with one of them) for me to get a release.

It has worked in allowing me to keep my mind free/clear to work on my mission while at the same time giving me the focus/motivation to approach until I get some love.
 

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There's a lot of misunderstanding around what NoFap is...

There are various different objectives that people lump into NoFap:

Addressing Porn Addiction
Addressing ED
Semen retention
Self-development

Also NoFap is a little bit of a misnomer, for many who practice NoFap, masterbating that is NOT the issue. It's porn, specifically high speed internet porn and using it in an compulsive and over-stimulating way (multiple tabs open, seeking new stimuli endlessly). This creates a hyper stimulating environment for the brain that it was not designed for...
yourbrainonporn.com is great resource on why this type of porn use is damaging to the brain.

Often staying away from porn is the main goal of most NoFappers. But semen retention and self-development is often lumped into it as well. I would not recommend listening to the nofap community about semen retention, instead learn about sexual transmutation from Taoist and Ayurvedic teachings.

Especially if you find yourself unable to concentrate without cumming regularly, you might be surprised to find out orgasm and ejaculation are NOT mutually inclusive. It's very possible as a man to channel your sexual energy away from your cock and balls and move it up into the rest of your body.

This powerful energy can create life on accident, imagine what it can do for your creativity in other pursuits when you harness it and develop it. Not to mention being able to have full body, multiple orgasms as a man and still not even cumming.

I myself am naturally multi-orgasmic, but I have yet to master the full body orgasm. Nowadays I only cum to give my girl a special treat, otherwise I save that precious energy for my goals.
 

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powerful energy can create life on accident, imagine what it can do for your creativity in oth
Yeah man... the difference when I abstain for even 3 days is really huge. Much more intensity and inner propelling power... But when you go fapping around that energy you become like a plant.. Static.
 

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Yeah man... the difference when I abstain for even 3 days is really huge. Much more intensity and inner propelling power... But when you go fapping around that energy you become like a plant.. Static.
Yeah, it can feel like a storm raging inside you. When I hit the gym and have a "full tank" as my friends and I call it, it feels like I'm fucking the weights or like my balls are helping with my lifts haha

To avoid that "starving lion in a cage with juicy gazelles on the other side" feeling you can practice deep breathing exercises and imagine that energy going up your spine. It's surprisingly helpful and you can hold on to that sexual power and use it for many things without distraction.
 

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"starving lion in a cage with juicy gazelles on the other side" You mean being thirsty for women? or ambition in general?

I notice the shift mostly with my footwork.. when I abstain I am much swifter and agile... but without getting too explicit cumming decreases my motoric systems. It is as if the body is shifting to a "saving battery mode".. Even micro expressions on the face become weaker..
 

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"starving lion in a cage with juicy gazelles on the other side" You mean being thirsty for women? or ambition in general?
The thirst. But impatience has fucked with my progress on my goals too. The more I was able to take a step back, I'd often see I was closer to my goals anyway. A calm mind is sharper than an eager one.

I notice the shift mostly with my footwork.. when I abstain I am much swifter and agile... but without getting too explicit cumming decreases my motoric systems. It is as if the body is shifting to a "saving battery mode".. Even micro expressions on the face become weaker..
Yeah many atheletes and coaches have noticed the drop in performance too, I've heard about them avoiding sex the night before a big game.

I've also heard that 21 days of semen retention is the point you want to get to, I forgot why exactly and I can't find the source I had, but I think the hormones become leveled out at a new base level, which is better than the base level when frequently cumming.

The funny thing is, people think that semen retention means no sex, when in fact taoist/tantra sex advice actually recommends frequent sex and if you can't have sex then masturbation, but NOT to ejaculation. Instead, you take that energy that is built during sex and channel it up the spine. Also something to note, it's not meant to be done with porn, but more like a meditation.
 
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I think most people don't get my point.

For most their equation is this:

I fap = No go out to meet girls.

My equation is this:

I go out meet girls = high testosterone production

I never considered that fapping would turn me into a neutered dog, with no motivation to do anything at all.

I don't really get why young men ever struggle to go out, fap or no fap. I could jerk off, go to a mall, and after my first approach I'm horny as a bull dog again. Your body goes: "Oh, talking to a hot girl? Here's a big dose of testosterone."

So, if you want to jerk off, and meet girls, rather than torturing yourself with constant horniness, just build the discipline to go out regardless.
 

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So, if you want to jerk off, and meet girls, rather than torturing yourself with constant horniness, just build the discipline to go out regardless.
Right, having an empty sack isn't a good excuse. I've proved to myself that I can still go out and do well, even if I'd had a little too much fappenin.
 

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Especially if you find yourself unable to concentrate without cumming regularly, you might be surprised to find out orgasm and ejaculation are NOT mutually inclusive. It's very possible as a man to channel your sexual energy away from your cock and balls and move it up into the rest of your body.

This powerful energy can create life on accident, imagine what it can do for your creativity in other pursuits when you harness it and develop it. Not to mention being able to have full body, multiple orgasms as a man and still not even cumming.
@J Wick This is interesting! Do you happen to have links to any impartial articles describing and contextualizing the pheonomenon? I'm guessing it's mostly spiritual not scientific literature, right?
 

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I almost never ejaculate when I masturbate. But I have orgasm. I find I regenerate that energy much faster. It just eases the tension for a few hours.

Trick is I just tighten up, squeeze the base of the dick. I didn't start doing this until my thirties, so younger guys might not be able to.
 

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One of the great books I read during this lockdown was The Multi-Orgasmic Man.

Taught myself how to separate orgasm from ejaculation. How string multiple orgasms together. And even the full body orgasms too. To say that following the exercises in this book changed my life. . . would be an understatement. . . I can only imagine the results this'll bring post quarantine.

Not only can these lessons on channeling sexual energy. . . introduce you to new levels of creativity. What's more is my practical understanding of sexual state has also made significant progress. Perhaps you have also noticed this difference in your mirror neurons. Between creative, meditative and. . . almost hypnotic sexual state. And simply being possessed by the desperate and burning desire. . . to ram-your-dick inside the nearest receptive girl.

You can connect with this creative and self-hypnotic state. After a few relaxing rounds of repetitive belly breathing.

Become more and more aware of your feet on the ground. When you're ready hold the air in, as it fills your lungs completely. While also. . . pressing down on your pelvic floor. This means you push out the muscles. . . between your anus and balls. You may even need to do this a few times. But once you have done it right. . . you will feel your sexual energy travelling upwards. It will probably make you smile warmly. Just remember to keep your mouth closed.

If I were to describe it in just a few words, I would call it a calm and pleasurable trance. Contain this feeling for a long while. . . to maximize its creative power. Then touch the roof of your mouth with your tongue. This sends the energy back down for storage. Rinse and repeat whenever you like.

But when doing this infield let your imagination turn you on instead. You'll also notice that finding arousing thoughts and images gets easier. Then moments before you approach. . . focus this energy at the hot girl's throat. Send it to the front, or a side of her neck, like its cupid's arrow.

I've had interesting mini-experiences with cashiers, receptionists and. . . airport personnel this way. Something else worth mentioning if you combine this method of accessing your sexual state. With the lingering high from full body, or "dry" orgasms. . . then its concentration increases several-fold.
 
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Personally porn causes me to think about women and sex all of the time. When I am watching porn and following IG models girls are 30-40% of my thoughts, srs.
 

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@Bacchus Can you list the exercises mentioned in multiorgasmic man book , I would love to know how you practiced them since I tried some but not so good results
 

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One of the downsides of porn is that after watching hot women do some really nasty things, you start craving that and the average woman won’t appeal to you. You will be limp unless the girl is like your fantasy porn star.
It is healthier to go for a non-slut. If you’re lacking sex in your life and you resort to porn, something in your brain changes and you no longer look at women the same way, and rewiring the brain is tough.
 
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