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KJ Francis

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Also daygame near campus' of masters/PHD students...

Silver bullet? Of course not but would tilt the % in your favour...

Could be of interest... Looks like he frequented the libraries at the London School of Economics and Kings College while not a student.


Re: social frame while not enrolled, I suppose the girls there could understand the concept of psychological anchors. There is just something about a university library that puts you in a studious mindset...
 

Spike

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This is where we have a difference in opinion. Nothing I've achieved worth mentioning happened without thought.
You focus on looks above all else, so shock horror you attract the same in women
As I’ve written about many times. I go to bars that I know the 18-20 year olds hang out. I know I’m not going to run into a girl that I’m compatible with because our life experiences are very different. In addition to 18-20 year old girls having very little life experience, it’s at this stage in their life where they are extremely superficial. And they value looks above all else in terms of guys they sleep with. Which works for me because that’s all I focus on. If I wanted to get with a girl who is more compatible with me, then I’d go to places I know attract 25-35 year old girls. Their life experience more line up with mine. Because we grew up watching the same things, feeling/thinking about things the same way etc etc. just that I don’t want that right now. However There are 18-20 year olds that do have more life experience that your average 18-20 year old. These girls I’ve found to be more compatible with me despite the huge age difference. But that is not something I care too much about. If it happens great. But I’m mainly looking for just fuckbuddies as I advance in my career. Which is my top priority.

I saw that you returned to daygame. After controlling for the factor you were looking for - girls who share the same hobbies as you. But as you saw that was a failure. What I mean is that it’s very possible that in your attempt to find that compatible girl, you may not find her in your new daygame hunting ground. But instead, find her when you were just randomly one day getting a cup of coffee. In some location far away from your controlled arena and then hit it off with her. I know us control freaks hates randomness and luck but the sooner you embrace it the better off you’ll be.
 

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In addition to 18-20 year old girls having very little life experience, it’s at this stage in their life where they are extremely superficial. And they value looks above all else in terms of guys they sleep with

I'd say this is an assumption and a sizeable number of that demo don't look at looks alone but I won't open that can of worms...

I see this all the time with my natural friends. They focus on a sub-genre of girl then assume all girls are like that.

If I wanted to get with a girl who is more compatible with me, then I’d go to places I know attract 25-35 year old girls. Their life experience more line up with mine. Because we grew up watching the same things, feeling/thinking about things the same way etc etc. just that I don’t want that right now.

Agree with this and similar to my experience

However There are 18-20 year olds that do have more life experience that your average 18-20 year old. These girls I’ve found to be more compatible with me despite the huge age difference.

This is probably the root of our difference in opinion. I (rightly or wrongly, time will tell) think I can increase % of meeting them.

What I mean is that it’s very possible that in your attempt to find that compatible girl, you may not find her in your new daygame hunting ground. But instead, find her when you were just randomly one day getting a cup of coffee. In some location far away from your controlled arena and then hit it off with her. I know us control freaks hates randomness and luck but the sooner you embrace it the better off you’ll be.

I agree with this. I think everyone thinks I'm trying to guarantee results but I can't stress enough I'm just trying to increase odds lol...

What I've actually found most useful in all this is that training myself to always see (and act) on opportunities has led to me interacting with young yet mature girls way more frequently then before which for me is half the battle.

If I keep doing that, the rest will take care of itself.

This spurred from nightgame not being interesting for me anymore (despite still getting lays) and online matches creeping older as the algorithm typically keeps you with people round the same age.
 

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I agree with this. I think everyone thinks I'm trying to guarantee results but I can't stress enough I'm just trying to increase odds lol...

Of course nothing is guaranteed in life but it's logical to increase the odds in your favour in lots of small ways so I completely agree with your approach.

For example I'm learning to speak a language (3 years now) of a country that I've had success with in the past and I consider good LTR material. Does that mean every woman from that country is compatible with me? No. Does that mean that I will refuse to consider someone else that I click with and that ticks all my boxes but speaks a different language, no.

I don't watch Anime and I'm not interested in Japanese women so it wouldn't be smart of me to learn Japanese and hang out at cosplay conventions would it?

Well what's the opposite of that? Adding lots of small 0.1% to 1% 's in my favour for the things that I AM interested in.
 

DoWhatWorks

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In another episode of DWW being the change he wants to see, here's an update with my numbers:

45 pings and approaches
9 contacts exchanged
5 dates (4 from daygame, 2 of which were instadates & 1 date from a physical activity event)
0 lays (lol)

100% some of the worst numbers I've put in my love life career lol but I'm happy.

Why? I'm seeing the progress I want long term.

Wasn't excited about her, but she bit my ping on the first day of starting daygame properly again. Did it to get practice but didn't get a hook/clicking point so she friendzoned me, but is strangely v warm on text still... This is a common theme that I'll go into

she was awkward but helped me get back into gear with deep diving and making conversation even when someone doesn't easily open up

Starting to get warmer, met from a physical activity event. My lead up to getting the date was flawless but felt too friendly and platonic on the date. To my surprise she agreed to a cocktail at mine date (following up with me to confirm the date) then flaked but still texting so low possibility we re-book

Looked way younger then her age lol. Slowlyyyy starting to click. more touchy feely, calling me cute on the date and very much man to woman with her cosing up to me and flirting, all built from a girl I met outside a station, then took her to a bar, then a public chair but she declined coming back to mine. 2nd date never happened before she left but like date 1, very warm on text and asked me to msg her when I'm next in Paris (to my surprise)

Slow start as she didn't give me any signs. Just followed the process because she was compliant and was the first girl from daygame I brought back to my place She ended up being a super affectionate, cute and fun girl to be around. Lots of kissing, cuddling etc but she was resistant to sex. Being honest I think with better escalation I could have sealed the deal but alas, favourite one so far, she's back in London 2nd week of August so chance I see her again, we'll see

My dates are slowly getting better and my social sharpness is way sharper than even just 4 weeks ago.

Random things I'm learning about the nuances of trying to make daygame work:

I thought I was good at this, but I've realized being used to nightgame where people bounce off the venue and/or alcohol as well as apps which self-filters for girls who're more comfortable putting themselves out there, I need to ramp up my warmth and "he feels like I've known him for years vibes" a lot of that has to come from me being more comfortable with this as I do it more

I've butchered escalations where I'm going into date and 2nd gen sexual topics when I've not even set a good enough friendly, easy going conversation yet... Learning to slow down, read the girl and follow the process of peeling layers: comfort/familiarty, then non-platonic connection, then natural segway to a romantic/sexual connection is what I'm refining

My numbers are very low, I've done no more than 6 approaches in a day but dates are trickling in. What I'm finding is if you want to be efficient it's about ramping up your vibe with enough volume to increase it but not tire yourself out. For example, doing up to 10 approaches 1-2x a week, then go about you day daygame of 1-5 a day means you keep rust at bay, stay warm and get higher conversions from less approaches

Reflecting on my numbers, most my contacts exchanges and dates game from girls I met in quieter side streets and around parks. Sounds obvious but girls in that slower state of mind are more open to meeting people DUHH. Also finding tourists way more open too. But ChatGPT helped me realize it's not about them being tourists per se but more the state of mind they're in. Not in a rush, open to explore and/or find connections. The places I choose and vibe has to be able to illicit that no matter who the girl is and that's something in my control.

General observations of girls I'm running into:

On mass way better (for me) compared to clubs and apps. Out of the 5 dates, I'd say 1 didn't pass the vibe check of having the new standard of emotional grounding and social EQ I'm after but 4/5 did. Positive, comfortable in their own skin, open to exploring without being chaotic... Of course I know this won't be a silver bullet and when I start laying and dating these girls more info will be revealed but so far I'm very much encouraged and glad I was stubborn to 180 re-do my approach.

Another observation, I forgot how much I like being romantic... Going to be leaning into this again vs being so efficient.

Oh and I'm finding daygame way more forgiving. For my standards I'm f'ing up (e.g. escalating but not closing) & girls are still giving me 2nd chances, texting me and willing to hangout again, never seen it before tbh.

Why do I bother writing this?:

I think it will be cool to look back on and I think many guys do the "figuring it out" behind the scenes vs transparently show the ups and downs before it all clicks, I've gotten a lot of value from the few people who have.

Onwards and Upwards x
 
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Swati

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In another episode of DWW being the change he wants to see, here's an update with my numbers:

45 pings and approaches
9 contacts exchanged
5 dates (4 from daygame, 2 of which were instadates & 1 date from a physical activity event)
0 lays (lol)

100% some of the worst numbers I've put in my love life career lol but I'm happy.

Why? I'm seeing the progress I want long term.

Wasn't excited about her, but she bit my ping on the first day of starting daygame properly again. Did it to get practice but didn't get a hook/clicking point so she friendzoned me, but is strangely v warm on text still... This is a common theme that I'll go into

she was awkward but helped me get back into gear with deep diving and making conversation even when someone doesn't easily open up

Starting to get warmer, met from a physical activity event. My lead up to getting the date was flawless but felt too friendly and platonic on the date. To my surprise she agreed to a cocktail at mine date (following up with me to confirm the date) then flaked but still texting so low possibility we re-book

Looked way younger then her age lol. Slowlyyyy starting to click. more touchy feely, calling me cute on the date and very much man to woman with her cosing up to me and flirting, all built from a girl I met outside a station, then took her to a bar, then a public chair but she declined coming back to mine. 2nd date never happened before she left but like date 1, very warm on text and asked me to msg her when I'm next in Paris (to my surprise)

Slow start as she didn't give me any signs. Just followed the process because she was compliant and was the first girl from daygame I brought back to my place She ended up being a super affectionate, cute and fun girl to be around. Lots of kissing, cuddling etc but she was resistant to sex. Being honest I think with better escalation I could have sealed the deal but alas, favourite one so far, she's back in London 2nd week of August so chance I see her again, we'll see

My dates are slowly getting better and my social sharpness is way sharper than even just 4 weeks ago.

Random things I'm learning about the nuances of trying to make daygame work:

I thought I was good at this, but I've realized being used to nightgame where people bounce off the venue and/or alcohol as well as apps which self-filters for girls who're more comfortable putting themselves out there, I need to ramp up my warmth and "he feels like I've known him for years vibes" a lot of that has to come from me being more comfortable with this as I do it more

I've butchered escalations where I'm going into date and 2nd gen sexual topics when I've not even set a good enough friendly, easy going conversation yet... Learning to slow down, read the girl and follow the process of peeling layers: comfort/familiarty, then non-platonic connection, then natural segway to a romantic/sexual connection is what I'm refining

My numbers are very low, I've done no more than 6 approaches in a day but dates are trickling in. What I'm finding is if you want to be efficient it's about ramping up your vibe with enough volume to increase it but not tire yourself out. For example, doing up to 10 approaches 1-2x a week, then go about you day daygame of 1-5 a day means you keep rust at bay, stay warm and get higher conversions from less approaches

Reflecting on my numbers, most my contacts exchanges and dates game from girls I met in quieter side streets and around parks. Sounds obvious but girls in that slower state of mind are more open to meeting people DUHH. Also finding tourists way more open too. But ChatGPT helped me realize it's not about them being tourists per se but more the state of mind they're in. Not in a rush, open to explore and/or find connections. The places I choose and vibe has to be able to illicit that no matter who the girl is and that's something in my control.

General observations of girls I'm running into:

On mass way better (for me) compared to clubs and apps. Out of the 5 dates, I'd say 1 didn't pass the vibe check of having the new standard of emotional grounding and social EQ I'm after but 4/5 did. Positive, comfortable in their own skin, open to exploring without being chaotic... Of course I know this won't be a silver bullet and when I start laying and dating these girls more info will be revealed but so far I'm very much encouraged and glad I was stubborn to 180 re-do my approach.

Another observation, I forgot how much I like being romantic... Going to be leaning into this again vs being so efficient.

Oh and I'm finding daygame way more forgiving. For my standards I'm f'ing up (e.g. escalating but not closing) & girls are still giving me 2nd chances, texting me and willing to hangout again, never seen it before tbh.

Why do I bother writing this?:

I think it will be cool to look back on and I think many guys do the "figuring it out" behind the scenes vs transparently show the ups and downs before it all clicks, I've gotten a lot of value from the few people who have.

Onwards and Upwards x
That's interesting, I would of assume date to lay would be pretty high from you and you being in the same social frame environment shouldn't be a problem for you to close.

Do you know what the problem with not getting the lays?

Also it seems like a reoccurring thing, with different players, as well as myself. When you game differently, whether location, social frame or having to use different strategies, the amount of lays can't be compared to before compared to your home base. But you do see an increase of quality, at least for me. I don't know if that's what you are going for. Because I've recently had some bad dates and night situations too.

Anyways good to see you share this, but I know you'd be able to come out better!
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

DoWhatWorks

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That's interesting, I would of assume date to lay would be pretty high from you and you being in the same social frame environment shouldn't be a problem for you to close

me and you both 😂 been humbling but putting my ego aside

Do you know what the problem with not getting the lays?

Several reasons:

1. Apart from occasional nights out Haven’t properly gamed since last summer

2. Been trying to run before I walk IE Instadate-daygame lays, as I’ve been getting first date lays for years now but I’ll benefit from slowing down then ramping things up. My dates still in play were slower day 2 vibes.

3. Other games set helpful seductive frames by default IE both apps & clubs have undertones of sexual, social circle familiarity but daygame building it all from 0. I underestimated the shift and need for me to more actively set those frames

it seems like a reoccurring thing, with different players, as well as myself. When you game differently, whether location, social frame or having to use different strategies, the amount of lays can't be compared to before compared to your home base.

For sure, think someone wrote about this in the advanced forum it’s like going from kick boxing to MMA. Yes skills will transfer over but it’s a new domain. It’s also a big reason why top guys are passionate about their way of doing things and dismissive of others.

Ironically I was the biggest defender of online before & said people not seeing results had a skill or location issue.

most people aren’t willing to evolve and be humbled especially if they don’t care to improve their results.

But you do see an increase of quality, at least for me. I don't know if that's what you are going for.

Yep number 1 reason for me doing this

Anyways good to see you share this, but I know you'd be able to come out better!

For sure! Thanks man I’ve been here before, just documenting it this time.
 

Swati

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Interesting takes.

I’ve been getting first date lays for years
MAN! Online right now, every year it's just getting worse, I think they've being trying to just make everyone's account go invisible lately so people could just continuously throw money into the blackhole. Myself included. not getting that many matches anymore.
Yep number 1 reason for me doing this
Day game is quite interesting approach, cause you'd be able to get the normal girls compared to night game/online generally. As in they will stick around and more normal compared to the other ones, likely higher drama n other weirder shit etc.

My dates still in play were slower day 2 vibes
I'm sure some girls just won't crack the 1st day regardless of how good you're game, better game gets more 1st day/dates lays for sure. Mental model freezes them out, FSC, what they've been told, too scared and etc

BUT! Do you feel like you have FEAR of rejection now, sexual/physical when you don't have clear windows? Rusty and etc? That's a BIG problem for some of my situations. Like I'm looking for the "perfect window" to escalate or "try to pull", end up losing it entirely. or you forget to escalate or you don't want to make a move at the wrong time. I'm in situations, where it's either I don't have window or I'm not fully isolated. But I'm becoming more aware with my current fielding, as I've also stop drinking, 1-2 drinks at most. Quite the cluster.
 

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MAN! Online right now, every year it's just getting worse,

Matches mine and my friend's experiences. I jumped ship last year but know a bunch of guys still making it work.

Most pay for premium and treat it like a part time job.

Day game is quite interesting approach, cause you'd be able to get the normal girls compared to night game/online generally

That's right, although it's not perfect, higher odds. Sometimes people sell dreams of daygame being the answer to all dating problems, but I've definitely slept with and dated a clustor B girl from daygame... Though that aside she was great lol.
BUT! Do you feel like you have FEAR of rejection now, sexual/physical when you don't have clear windows? Rusty and etc?

At the start yes but learning to let it go.

Afraid I have no perfect answer for you, only way through it is... Through it.

Allow yourself to fail and give yourself grace. Being too harsh and judgemental on yourself will just make your actions stiff and worse... My dates have gotten steadily better the more I've just let go and said whatever it takes, for as long as it takes until I'm back in flow... I'm treating my first 10-20 dates back like a practice write off.

If I get results cool, if they all flop also cool. I'm learning what to do and what not to do. Eventually be 2nd nature.

Also have a beginner mindset and follow your process regardless. My best date was a girl giving me no signs, I invited her back anyway and was genuinely surprised when she said yes lol.

What's more important than the individual lays is getting comfortable with a high success rate process because THAT's what will get me higher conversions and successes in the long term.
 

DoWhatWorks

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Could it just be you are dealing with new demo.... Foreign Asian women..and maybe they need to be adjusted for...

This is also a factor. Both local & tourist, running into girls who're more introverted/less experienced and have had to calibrate.

When I figure it out what consistently works, I'll share it... For example a lot of my game is exchanging/opening up about dating experiences.... But running into a load of "I don't know" so have had to re-do my approach building relatability about being too busy and not finding the right person before segway into importance of being with someone who is comfortable to be around , has experience and can facilitate a good time which is getting better responses.

Work in progress.
 

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Another quick update.

After my first daygame lay following this new approach I've made some observations:

1. Me fixating on venues and events to meet girls was largely a big waste of time lol.

Problem is there's limited volume, a finite window to talk to these girls and so much R&D required to find good repeatable events

2. The best & fastest ROI for me to meet girls I'm excited about has without a doubt cold approach daygame.

Perhaps a part of me was simply avoiding doing the real work and instead distract myself.
Credit to Chase, Skills and whoever else said this.

3. Daygame has enough volume to do 10-20 lays a year (if you're in a big enough city)

Where I didn't waste time was finding daygame areas that suit my personality and naturally attract girls I like.
I've definitely seen a benefit of being intentional with locations vs just going for busy high volume places.
Sacrificing volume for vibe has been the right trade for me.

4. Ad-hoc daygame doesn't give enough volume but spam approaching is not sustainable - solution below

The sweet spot solution I've found is:
  • 10 approaches a day, 1-2 days a week
  • Up to 4 approaches casually while living your life another 2-3 days a week

5. Venues and events is a lifestyle play to gain momentum

Venues and events aren't the best for girls BUT they're good for giving you social momentum which in turn makes you
magnetic getting more girls and living an interesting life in general.
 

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Another quick update.

After my first daygame lay following this new approach I've made some observations:

1. Me fixating on venues and events to meet girls was largely a big waste of time lol.

Problem is there's limited volume, a finite window to talk to these girls and so much R&D required to find good repeatable events

2. The best & fastest ROI for me to meet girls I'm excited about has without a doubt cold approach daygame.

Perhaps a part of me was simply avoiding doing the real work and instead distract myself.
Credit to Chase, Skills and whoever else said this.

3. Daygame has enough volume to do 10-20 lays a year (if you're in a big enough city)

Where I didn't waste time was finding daygame areas that suit my personality and naturally attract girls I like.
I've definitely seen a benefit of being intentional with locations vs just going for busy high volume places.
Sacrificing volume for vibe has been the right trade for me.

4. Ad-hoc daygame doesn't give enough volume but spam approaching is not sustainable - solution below

The sweet spot solution I've found is:
  • 10 approaches a day, 1-2 days a week
  • Up to 4 approaches casually while living your life another 2-3 days a week

5. Venues and events is a lifestyle play to gain momentum

Venues and events aren't the best for girls BUT they're good for giving you social momentum which in turn makes you
magnetic getting more girls and living an interesting life in general.
It's a pretty basic numbers game when you get down to it. No magic bullet solutions.

Great you were experimenting though. your conclusions on events makes perfect sense. Seems like a more supplemental thing than a primary thing.

In the end just gotta put the hustle to it. Get the numbers in.

Helps being in a place where you can find at least 10 baddies on a given sarge. 10-12 in a 4-5 hours span is workable. Then the rest you just approach at the grocery store, running errands, all that.

Still not the best volume. But when you have limited time and can't sarge all day everyday that's what you get.

Supplement night game, classes/events/festivals, and apps (in that order) and your numbers go up a bit.

Venue selection helps with targeting a specific demographic. But also can meet women of all walks of life, pretty much anywhere. So high volume places aren't off the table, just less concentration of a particular type.

Could also engineer some social circle things too, can help screen for girls with similar interests. Again just as a supplemental thing. Obviously maximizing social circle game is a whole other beast, and requires focused dedication.

In the end, there's really not much reinventing of the wheel that can be done. Just gotta make due with the resources you have available, and then grind.

That's the thing with pick up. To really get a large volume, you just gotta grind.

Having variation in your pipeline will maximize your odds.

Beyond that, just making sure to land the girls when you have them out. Making every shot count.

Then when it comes to meeting an "ideal" LTR partner, I think you just gotta roll with what you have and work with the raw material, shaping the relationship each step of the way. There's no perfect match. I think having similar values, lifestyles, and interests(not all your interests have to align) is more than enough. Figure out the big non negotiables (don't go over board with this list). Then just pick the gal where things are the most practical for the long term.

The rest is just flying by the seat of your pants. LTRs are a one day at a time thing. You kind of just find your self in one and eventually are like "oh we've been doing this for how long now?"


Honestly, the older I get, the more I think that life is about choosing which limitations suit you best. That's not to say we shouldn't push our boundaries and keep challenging ourselves to see where the line is. But everything is a tradeoff, and our lives are more defined by limitations than we want to believe in our more youthful days.

that's my two cents.
 
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