Any success stories of asking a girl late?

[NealIRC]

I'm honestly worried about your mental health and physical safety Neal. The examples you post are disturbing. Nowhere is this girl showing any signs of interest in you whatsoever, and you are essentially stalking her.

If she wasn't into me, she wouldn't have viewed the website I made for her multiple times after, would she?

Spamming a girl creepy messages on Facebook? Making a website with hearts and pictures of someone you've never met? Logging her phone details? This is not normal healthy behavior. You need to get some help Neal, of the professional psychological variety.

I'm worried for your safety. This girl is in a violent gang and you are stalking her. Has it occurred to you that the reason there was another hit on your website is because she was showing your creepy behavior to her brother, or other gang friends?

Most girls would call the police if you acted the way you are describing towards them. This girl might have you shot. If she ever does agree to meet up with you its likely going to end up being six guys with switchblades in an alleyway. Please, for your sake, stop contacting this girl immediately.

I think you have some legitimate health issues that go beyond what anyone on this forum is going to be able to help you with. The fact that you dont seem to realize you have serious problems is the scariest part.

Please get yourself evaluated by a qualified mental health professional. If I'm wrong you have nothing to worry about, and if I'm right you will be in touch with someone who understands where you are coming from and can give you the help you need

Well I would like to see some sort of a counselor on a variety of other things, not this situation in particular.

Anyways, this girl is stalking me... Cuz, this summer, I made a post on my wall that I'm going to take a course in college, and I posted the name of the college.

And so, she had a female friend who was enrolled in that college, she must have asked to go with her. We saw each other twice, 1st time I walked past her and she ran off. But 2nd time, which was 2 days later, I was sitting in a student lounge and she and her female friend walking towards me and when she about to past I looked at her, saw she was looking at me.

..That was the 1st week of school. Never saw her again. Most girls in gangs aren't in college so. I'm supposed to believe it was just a coincidence, right? ;p

But I actually saw her earlier, this summer in real life at a carnival by her high school, at 1st I wasn't sure it was her, cuz she had curly hair, but as I confronted her 1 night as she was leaving, she ran off on me. 4 weeks after, saw her 1st week of school.

She must be hurt that I stopped messaging her...

 

[NealIRC]

I should also say, I once asked in the City-Data forum, dating and relationships section, on "attracting women without pursuing them."

I asked about what do you think about a guy who keeps attracting a girl but has no interest in pursuing her, or asking her out on a date.

I got a response from a woman who said she will never forgive him. That he will regret it always.

So it seems what I did to this girl, is gonna be unforgivable.

In fact, when I ask questions about "attracting without pursuing women" in the Wikipedia science desk, they immediately delete my questions with the comments "Wikipedia is not in the business of helping sociopaths harass women."

So apparently, society thinks men raw attracting women is harassment.

Sigh.

 

[Michal]

Neal,

I have a story for you, it is a nice story and I think you will like it. Here it is:

There is a family which has a very close relationship... mom and two sisters, Megan and Lisa. Their father died couple years back in a car accident. Last week, the mom died suddenly, had a heart attack, nothing to be done. There was a funeral which both sisters attended, grieving and mourning. There were couple of their friends, the mom's friends attended and also a mysterious guy. This guy, even though they have never met this man and had no contact with him, was an old family friend who had great relations with both their mother and father. He was very warm, paid his respect and condolences and was very charming, especially to Lisa. She was immediatly interested in him because he had blonde hair and green eyes and there was just something about him. He was very debonaire and after the ceremony, Lisa and this man connected well, shared some more personal things with each other, flirted a little and Lisa became more and more attracted to him, not only mentally but also sexually. It felt like fate to her. Then, as everyone was leaving, they too said bye to each other and the man left fairly suddenly. A week went by and Lisa kept thinking about the guy. About how he mentioned having a cottage in upper state and how beautiful it is there, how he works with kids who lost their parents and that he has a dog, a labrador. And Lisa started to miss him and was very sad and felt very lonely again, just like she did after their mom passed away.... 2 days later, Lisa killed her sister Megan.

The question is... Why did Lisa kill Megan?

 

[NealIRC]

A week went by and Lisa kept thinking about the guy. About how he mentioned having a cottage in upper state and how beautiful it is there, how he works with kids who lost their parents and that he has a dog, a labrador. And Lisa started to miss him and was very sad and felt very lonely again, just like she did after their mom passed away.... 2 days later, Lisa killed her sister Megan.

The question is... Why did Lisa kill Megan?

Well I don't think you gave enough information about Megan.

Did Megan get in the way?

 

[Michal]

A week went by and Lisa kept thinking about the guy. About how he mentioned having a cottage in upper state and how beautiful it is there, how he works with kids who lost their parents and that he has a dog, a labrador. And Lisa started to miss him and was very sad and felt very lonely again, just like she did after their mom passed away.... 2 days later, Lisa killed her sister Megan.

The question is... Why did Lisa kill Megan?

Well I don't think you gave enough information about Megan.

Did Megan get in the way?

There is no more information required to find the reason of Lisa's action, I cannot tell you any more. But it is ok if you cannot find the answer, most people can't answer this correctly.

 

[NealIRC]

Well I don't think you gave enough information about Megan.

Did Megan get in the way?

There is no more information required to find the reason of Lisa's action, I cannot tell you any more. But it is ok if you cannot find the answer, most people can't answer this correctly.

Well with my situation, she don't tell any of her female friends about me. It's all discreet.

This was a true story?

 

[NealIRC]

OH I get it. It's so she can meet the man again at her sister's funeral...

But is he going to forgive her for that...

 

[Chase]

In the pickup community, this is called "oneitis."

I have an article about it here:

Can't Stop Thinking About Her? Here's Why You Need to Meet More Girls

Anyone who is advising Neal do anything other than go meet other girls, flirt with them, ask them out on dates, get laid, and take one of the cuter/nicer ones of them as a girlfriend is doing him a disservice. The year(?) he's fixated on this girl is a black hole he's dropped his romantic progress into. That time is never coming back.

Neal, you aren't going to get this girl. We used to have a PUA joke we'd tell that went like this:

• Q: How do you know a guy is never going to have sex with a girl?
  
  A: He tells you he's 'working on her'!

Ba-dum tiss!

There IS a way you can get this girl. It's doable. That way is preselection.

Once you have other women dating you and sleeping with you, two things will happen:

• 1. You will begin to deal with her the way an attractive guy with options deals with her (like the cats she dates in her Latin gang do), which is attractive to her, instead of the way a guy who doesn't get laid treats her, which is not attractive to her.
  
  2. She will see other women around you, see you have a girlfriend, feel intrigued in you, want what those girls have, and get jealous.

Until you're getting other girls, you won't get this girl. The window is closed.

Trying to get a girl after perhaps a month has gone by, the way you're doing it, is like walking on a tightrope that stretches off indefinitely into the distance. You don't know how far the tightrope goes, you don't know where the end is, you don't know if there even IS an end, and the entire time you're having to be super careful not to mess up somewhere and fall off to your doom.

And to make it worse, there's a footbridge right next to the tightrope (i.e., all the other women in town you COULD date).

Possible end points I see for you if you continue down this road:

• This chick gets creeped out and gets a restraining order

• This chick complains to her boys in the Latin Kings and one day they decide to rough you up / rob you / shank you in the liver. Reminder: women in gangs are the property of those gangs. You bang their women, they bang you (but with a gun, not their cocks. Well, not usually). The only time you should bang gang chicks is if you are wildly good with girls (I'd say +100 notch count at least) and you're just passing through AND you like to live dangerously

• Or nothing disastrously bad happens, you just waste 2-3 more years pining after this chick until one day you find out she's pregnant with some dude's baby. And then you find out the father's no longer in the picture, but you offer to take care of her anyway because she's just so awesome and you want to be there for her. And maybe she seems like she's about to go for it, but then she shacks up with some other dude, and he tells you to scram. You get angry, blame the world for being cruel and unfair, and meanwhile a bunch of other girls cuter than her, who were actually interested in you, over the past 2-3 years, don't even enter into your mental calculations because you're completely and totally fixated on just this One Special Girl

Anyway. Oneitis. Not even once.

I sympathize, I've been there, it's a terrible place to be. There's also no REASON for you to be there, aside from your own narrowness and obsessiveness.

Save yourself amigo. The only good thing that ever came out of oneities was the portfolio of Vincent Van Gogh.

Don't turn into a victim. Or bitter and alone. Or another Elliot Rodger or whatever. Take off the blinders - the world's way bigger than you realize.

Chase

 

[NealIRC]

2. She will see other women around you, see you have a girlfriend, feel intrigued in you, want what those girls have, and get jealous.

Well this is kind of the problem, if she stalks my Facebook, then I can't go about having a girlfriend on my wall... She might be so bitter she could kill the girl or whatever, as Michal just pointed out in the story. Or do something to a person that she sees is close to me, make their life a living hell.

During the time that I didn't msg her for 4 weeks, she was so hurt she had a temp bf that she broke off with. And the guy wasn't even in Illinois, he was in Texas, so it was a long-distance relationship. He made posts on his wall about how he wants to go to Chicago and get her pregnant and such, she just makes the "you know it" replies. Then like 2 days later he announces he broke off with her, calling her a slut and such. They were never set as "in a relationship" and then no activity for some 3 days, when all of a sudden their status "in a relationship." That lasted 1 day. Now I didn't know who broke up with who, but weeks later he made a post about trying to get her back so I think she broke up with him.

She was hurt so bad she has to go around and hurt other guys.

I saw her at a carnival this summer she was dressed slutty and with female friends dressed conservative, they kept a lookout if I was checking her out.

Then recently, I had a guy friend who saw her in real life, he works in a phone store. I didn't believe him because he worked for Sprint and she wasn't with Sprint, but he told me her full name. She was setting up an account with them, bought a new phone. She was with a guy and girl friend. The guy appeared gay, and the girl was overweight. And he described her as "self-centered, not caring about others, and only thinking about herself" so he got a bad impression of her. But I'm a bit inclined to think, that I caused her to be this way. Real bitchy at life.

I wonder what her plan is next.

As far as this being one-itis, well, I'm constantly doing experiments and spitting game, though more in real-life than on-line. But it's hard to find social situations with women in real life. For cases where I do see women regularly, then I can spit game and such, without ever asking for her # or asking her on a date. And the same thing can happen, they flake out. Many times when I spit game to women on Facebook messages, they instantly block me, and so, this girl lasted the longest. But she got hurt the most.

 

[Michal]

2. She will see other women around you, see you have a girlfriend, feel intrigued in you, want what those girls have, and get jealous.

Well this is kind of the problem, if she stalks my Facebook, then I can't go about having a girlfriend on my wall... She might be so bitter she could kill the girl or whatever, as Michal just pointed out in the story. Or do something to a person that she sees is close to me, make their life a living hell.

Neal,
disregard the story, it was serving a certain purpose but after I thought about it more yesterday, I realized it is not relevant to you or your situation but at that point, I could not delete the post. So dont dive too much into that story.

Many times when I spit game to women on Facebook messages, they instantly block me

Now... given this, what do you think this is a signal of?
You message a girl on Facebook and she instantly blocks you? What does this behaviour from her end tell you?

 

[NealIRC]

Neal,
disregard the story, it was serving a certain purpose but after I thought about it more yesterday, I realized it is not relevant to you or your situation but at that point, I could not delete the post. So dont dive too much into that story.

If that story is White people, it is interesting to me. Because I have several stories of Hispanic/Black women falling in love with a man, and doing some real erratic shit against him. So, I collect those stories.

Many times when I spit game to women on Facebook messages, they instantly block me

Now... given this, what do you think this is a signal of?
You message a girl on Facebook and she instantly blocks you? What does this behaviour from her end tell you?

I meant after she "approves" of the msg and I msg her. And then spit game to her. And don't pursue her, don't ask to meet her in real life and such.

Remember, the more and more a girl into you, the more and more she knows you can break her heart. The more she knows you can hurt her.

With guys they are less attracted to, the less the issue, so.

 

[Michal]

Many times when I spit game to women on Facebook messages, they instantly block me

Now... given this, what do you think this is a signal of?
You message a girl on Facebook and she instantly blocks you? What does this behaviour from her end tell you?

I meant after she "approves" of the msg and I msg her. And then spit game to her. And don't pursue her, don't ask to meet her in real life and such.

Remember, the more and more a girl into you, the more and more she knows you can break her heart. The more she knows you can hurt her.

With guys they are less attracted to, the less the issue, so.

Neal,
If you could provide a particular situation when a girl blocked you, with the messages you sent to her and the girl sent to you, it would be very helpful

 

[NealIRC]

Neal,
If you could provide a particular situation when a girl blocked you, with the messages you sent to her and the girl sent to you, it would be very helpful

Oh, and I should add "stops reading your messages" too, to the list.

Basically any conversation that is anything except escalating, or asking to meet a girl in real life, or sex, etc.

Strangely enough, I've seen multiple girls post that they want to marry the guy that messages them after they block them. So blocking guys is usually another test, to see how much the guy likes her.

After all, these girls will view your profile and your looks to decide if they want to "open" the msg or not. So they already pre-selected you as attractive.

I basically started to realize women pre-select the ones who messaged them 1st.

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And for girls that were daughters of Latin King leaders, I found a way to get them to open the msg when they otherwise haven't. In Illinois, arrest pictures are public, and you have to do it via something called FOIA = freedom of information act. So I hired a lawyer to e-mail the police with a list of mugshots I wanted, and if the police don't comply, the lawyer takes them to court, litigation.

When I had the photos, I re-messaged some of the daughters that never opened up when I msg'd them, some months ago, some years ago.

So what did I do... messaged them a picture of their father, including ones who's father's mugshot is not made at all on the Internet. Another 1 the father's 2009 mugshot is on the web, but not 1983, and I messaged them the 1983 photo of their father. Another girl's father was deceased for 12 years and I had their mugshot.

"Yo, I'm writing an article on the history of the Latin Kings. You wanna help me out?" = a line a lot will ignore, but changed when I pasted a pic of their father.

So for those situations, I was able to get some girls to "open" the msg, which means they do read if guys constantly msg them. But these girls were not attracted to me to begin with, so of course, naturally will be blocked or muted.

 

[Michal]

Neal...
I dont think I can express what is on my mind regarding your situation in a respectable fashion, so I will just quote what Chase wrote. And I urge you to take this under serious consideration.

...

Possible end points I see for you if you continue down this road:

• This chick gets creeped out and gets a restraining order

• This chick complains to her boys in the Latin Kings and one day they decide to rough you up / rob you / shank you in the liver. Reminder: women in gangs are the property of those gangs. You bang their women, they bang you (but with a gun, not their cocks. Well, not usually). The only time you should bang gang chicks is if you are wildly good with girls (I'd say +100 notch count at least) and you're just passing through AND you like to live dangerously

...

Don't turn into a victim. Or bitter and alone. Or another Elliot Rodger or whatever. Take off the blinders - the world's way bigger than you realize.

Chase

 

[NealIRC]

So remember, my tactic is a little different than you guys.

My tactic is.

Anyone who is advising Neal do anything other than go meet other girls,

-Get meeted by girls.

flirt with them,

-Spit game to them.

ask them out on dates,

-Get asked out on dates, or, ask them out for acquaintances.

get laid,

N/A - this is not an advice, this is a conclusion.

Also.

Trying to get a girl after perhaps a month has gone by,

While the time period is long, I do it on purpose, to test them. To test if they desperate or not. So while our conversations may stretch half a year, it could be read in 5 minutes. So I would judge It by sentence count, not time length.

If you keep a girl waiting, and she gets mad at you for that... then you know she wanted you.

 

[Smurf]

What a waste of time.

 

[Cacc]

lmao dude's a creep

 

[Michal]

Neal,

You need to read Chase's post on how to attract girls and also "attraction has an expiration date". You talk about attracting that girl, but that only works in person. You cannot attract a girl over the phone. That is why GC mantra is that phone is only for setting up logistics.

Last thing you must get through your head - if a girl gets mad at you, it does not mean she wanted you. Just because Chase wrote that in one article does not mean it is a law. That applies only to situations where a girl was very attracted to a guy IN PERSON and he did not do anything when she hinted she wants to progress further, so she then becomes mad which then translates to her being cold. That is not your situation at all.

So, one last time, I get your goal is different but even then your approach to it is horribly ineffective. You must meet girls in person to attract them. And as far as I can tell from your posts, you saw her twice. Saw, not talked.

I am not going to respond to you anymore because over the years I learned that you cannot help someone who does not want help. Your mental model about attraction itself is flawed and until you fix that, I dont think I can help you with anything.

Read those articles, leave that girl alone and start meeting girls in person

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

This is a joke, right?

 

[NealIRC]

You cannot attract a girl over the phone.

Sure you can. However, I'm responding to Internet, not phone.

Last thing you must get through your head - if a girl gets mad at you, it does not mean she wanted you.

Right, she wanted *me* to pursue her. She herself did not want to pursue me.

You are right attraction has an expiration date. But it's not attraction that has an expiration date, it's the window where a girl will say yes. Why do you think she viewed the website I made for her for a 3rd time, just to see if it still exists?

I went slow with her on purpose. To hurt her. As well as to test her.