Do "naturals" exist anymore?

[ChristianB]

I ask this question because I don't think I've ever met a guy who was able to consistently pull hot girls. Sure in high school there were guys who ended up with the more attractive girls, but thats just a big social circle and the best any guy would do was get a hot girlfriend and an occasional hookup. Even the guys who got with girls from other schools it was just through social circle connections/parties/being in the right place at the right time (with the right fundamentals). Same thing in college, even in college bars or parties there would be few guys approaching (even if every approach was warm in this context) it was all just people interacting in groups and most guys just drank, socialized and hoped they'd situationally end up with a girl through people they already knew. In fact the more I think about it, it seems like most of these hookups I've observed in social circle were initiated by the girl (the girl telling her friends she's going for this guy and everyone going along with it; with the guy just having to take rather obvious hints), its rare I see a guy in social circle pursuing the girl and not the other way around (not sure if this is a gen-z phenomenon or this is just how most social-circle hookups work).

Now in post-education city life its the same thing. Most normal guys are in relationships always, and when they get single they download dating apps which go nowhere until they meet a girl by luck through work or social circle. Even in bars I feel like I'm the only one cold approaching, attractive girls are even sometimes confused (pleasantly surprised if they like me) wondering if they know me from somewhere because thats the only reason people chat with each other seemingly. When going out with attractive female friends, they might get approached once or twice by an older guy, never someone close to their age. I once asked an extremely attractive girl who I was/am platonic friends with how often she gets approached and she said never (and she actively goes out to parties and clubs or at least did at the time). Some guys get with a lot of decent girls from dating apps, but they are all just ok looking, trashy, or batshit crazy. But I've yet to meet a guy with enough game to pull hot girls with any level of consistency, outside of unique and temporary social-circle situations. And even those who you think would be pulling hard from their social standing e.g. top athletes at uni, coolest guy in frat, or semi-famous local still only get laid (with a girl you'd want to fuck sober) occasionally outside of relationships.

Could this be a gen-z thing? Are naturals just super super rare (less than 1% of male population) and I just happen not to know any? It seems to me at least like this type of guy for whatever reason doesn't naturally arise anymore.

 

[Skills]

I ask this question because I don't think I've ever met a guy who was able to consistently pull hot girls. Sure in high school there were guys who ended up with the more attractive girls, but thats just a big social circle and the best any guy would do was get a hot girlfriend and an occasional hookup. Even the guys who got with girls from other schools it was just through social circle connections/parties/being in the right place at the right time (with the right fundamentals). Same thing in college, even in college bars or parties there would be few guys approaching (even if every approach was warm in this context) it was all just people interacting in groups and most guys just drank, socialized and hoped they'd situationally end up with a girl through people they already knew. In fact the more I think about it, it seems like most of these hookups I've observed in social circle were initiated by the girl (the girl telling her friends she's going for this guy and everyone going along with it; with the guy just having to take rather obvious hints), its rare I see a guy in social circle pursuing the girl and not the other way around (not sure if this is a gen-z phenomenon or this is just how most social-circle hookups work).

Now in post-education city life its the same thing. Most normal guys are in relationships always, and when they get single they download dating apps which go nowhere until they meet a girl by luck through work or social circle. Even in bars I feel like I'm the only one cold approaching, attractive girls are even sometimes confused (pleasantly surprised if they like me) wondering if they know me from somewhere because thats the only reason people chat with each other seemingly. When going out with attractive female friends, they might get approached once or twice by an older guy, never someone close to their age. I once asked an extremely attractive girl who I was/am platonic friends with how often she gets approached and she said never (and she actively goes out to parties and clubs or at least did at the time). Some guys get with a lot of decent girls from dating apps, but they are all just ok looking, trashy, or batshit crazy. But I've yet to meet a guy with enough game to pull hot girls with any level of consistency, outside of unique and temporary social-circle situations. And even those who you think would be pulling hard from their social standing e.g. top athletes at uni, coolest guy in frat, or semi-famous local still only get laid (with a girl you'd want to fuck sober) occasionally outside of relationships.

Could this be a gen-z thing? Are naturals just super super rare (less than 1% of male population) and I just happen not to know any? It seems to me at least like this type of guy for whatever reason doesn't naturally arise anymore.

yeah i made this point that "naturals" are a dying breed, i explain that here:

Socializing - 2021 in review and the state of seduction as we enter 2022

Another ugly year was 2021 the trend continues were seduction is becoming in USA specifically very troublesome, so here is my review of the good, the bad and the ugly... For me is biz as usual, so this is not about skills, since when it comes to women i have no issues, i am on cruise control...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Rakehell]

I’ve only ever known one guy who supposedly slept with every girl in his social circle. He’s about 7 years older than me, we still talk sometimes. Super cool guy even though our mutual friends were iffy about him (jealous?).

All the guy’s around my age kind of just subscribe to the “alpha mentality” floating around. (Super annoying when they try and “compete” with you too). Haven’t really met anyone who I’d consider a natural.

The only exception has been guy’s in positions of authority who kind of use that to order girls around. But i’m not sure they actually got any results or if they’d have the same effect outside.

 

[Winston]

Yes they do. I know 2 of them.

One slept with ~100 girls at age 28 years, he had slept with the top 5 girls of his graduated school (very masculine field, so huge competition). Now at 33 he is in couple since 5 years and plan to make babies. He is a kind of a social genius with the best game I ever seen, even on PUA coach videos. He is able to understand very quickly the weak spots of someone and playing with it, he is always very subversive within a group. He told me he think he can slept with any girls from his social circle if he want to, and I believe it is true. My ex LTR was friend with him and was impressed by his hunting board, she called him a "sexual predator" as a joke, she also told me that he is the devil and to never trust him.

The other has 35, and he has slept with more than 300 girls. He is still going out several nights a week and learn some game stuff to improve the quality of the girls he is getting, because he cannot find a girl he likes enough to be in a LTR (he is not able to keep an 8 or better). Very good social skills and he has a good/medical job, so he doesn't hesitate to throw money/status symbol into the seduction to facilitate it. He is less impressive than the first guy at first sight, but definetely very efficient and determined.

 

[ulrich]

I think that with the emergence of Tinder, socializing has become much more private and insular.

Back in the early 2000s and 2010s you would compete in an open field (social circle or nightclub) where you would see a guy pull the girl you were after and other girls and then you would notice that he was not using “PUA style” and you would say: “this guy is a natural”.

Even on Facebook, you could see your friend’s friends running game on party pictures and leaving messages in profiles.

Nowadays you don’t see what your competition is doing.
Tinder and Instagram blind you for that.
You can’t see how many guys are swiping right on your target or how many DMs your instagirl gets.

Tinder dates skip the in person invite and start directly in an isolated setting.

So you have much less points of reference to compare yourself with other guys and therefore… yeah, you don’t see many naturals nowadays.

 

[Vision]

Somebody's doing the fucking... those vaginas won't fuck themselves.

 

[POB]

The last naturals I know were born in the 80s.
Today they are sporting an outstanding beer gut and have alimony (plus child support) to pay.

But I think they would probably go to jail nowadays if they tried to pull like they did back in the day lol.

 

[pancakemouse]

I think that with the emergence of Tinder, socializing has become much more private and insular.

Back in the early 2000s and 2010s you would compete in an open field (social circle or nightclub) where you would see a guy pull the girl you were after and other girls and then you would notice that he was not using “PUA style” and you would say: “this guy is a natural”.

Even on Facebook, you could see your friend’s friends running game on party pictures and leaving messages in profiles.

Nowadays you don’t see what your competition is doing.
Tinder and Instagram blind you for that.
You can’t see how many guys are swiping right on your target or how many DMs your instagirl gets.

Tinder dates skip the in person invite and start directly in an isolated setting.

So you have much less points of reference to compare yourself with other guys and therefore… yeah, you don’t see many naturals nowadays.

This is the answer.

They still exist, they're just doing it almost completely online. Been in chats with about a dozen of them in the past five years.

 

[Swati]

natural's still do exist. I know a couple who learns from their elder/ brothers or discusses the process of getting sex from females but don't necessarily know "pickup". they do exist, such as the stereotypical lovers, who are just borderline gay but actually are killers in getting women. a lot of them I'd say are sociopathic and annoying for my taste but that doesn't mean they aren't out there. I've noticed a lot of natural I've encountered are from South America have a bit of Latin culture that fosters the environment to develop the behaviors and being more socially attuned, having a better vibe overall

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

This was one of the questions I asked in my thread about "game now vs. 10 years ago" (click)... most advanced guys said no, naturals don't really exist anymore. Teevster's take to cite just one example of many:

guys truly suck with women these days (male competition is not a thing anymore... you don't cross any naturals in clubs... or very rarely). So, whenever you do shit like this you truly stand out.

I'm curious to see what I find when I start doing night game, which I have a new found interest in, but I strongly assume the Elders who have been active in the past few years are right.

One thing I'm already noticing is that the real-life male/female connection is completely broken. I notice girls looking around the room, giving approach invitations, trying to get guys to notice them and talk to them and the guys instead just stare at their phones.

It's fascinating and should be a huge leg up for us. But it's also something that needs to be fixed and I plan on helping fix it with something I'm working on right now and that I'll post to the blog or the forum when it's ready.

-Karea Ricardus D.