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Break Ups  Got suddenly dumped by an one year LTR girl with depression

Skills

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What is "correct" contact?

And as Chase pointed out, do you think cutting all contact for a prolonged period and anticipating for them to reach out first, work on low self esteem passive girls?
for me it has work for all the girls i have dated..... the only time i wrote "a letter" (just like you did in case of misunderstanding)/...

they came back from horrible shit i have done.... if you want in pm i can tell you some of the horrible shit! watch the video i posted it explain the why...
 

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Problem is that she considers herself to be below other girls, including other girls I dated before, and approaches things from that frame...
This is annoying, because it makes the girl prone to self-sabotage her own relationships, but not insurmountable.

@Skills- do you still claim Franco's theories on LSE girls are oudated?

-Teevster
 

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I don't know how many hours you put into it exactly -- there's a big difference between hundreds and thousands.

But there are plenty of guys who go out for 3 hours of day game sessions here, another 4 hours here, another 3 hours there, etc., before they get a lay. 15 hours of pickup per lay I would say is not unreasonable for an intermediate-tier day game seducer, and that would put you at 600 hours.

I don't count the hours and its impossible to do so, given that I've been approaching since 2009, sometimes for many hours on a daily basis, sometimes no approaches for months at a time. But the yield is super low per time investment. As I said, could be due to the location problem and other factors. And I also got jaded and tired from cold approach years ago. Basically I fundamentally find the whole "meeting women and seduction" thing boring. What I enjoy is the sex itself, and spending quality time with women I vibe well with (after we first had sex), not the meeting and seduction "dance".

The main thing is a.) she needs forward progress, b.) she sees you as a higher-value player who was just banging her then was going to move on, and c.) she now feels sucked into a relationship with a higher-value player who will almost certainly NOT progress things with her but whom she's struggling to get away from too and who, for inexplicable reasons to her, still has not moved on from her himself. This is what is really baking her noodle.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head here. She basically said this herself to me, more than once, many months ago already. But I skirted the issue and was too timid to be completely straight with her.
The problem here is you did not solve the issue when she brought it up to you, but instead worsened the divide then let her go.

I don't know how long it's been that she's away (didn't check the timetables here or anything) but if you understand all this, and you have read the Olive Rule article and grasp that concept thoroughly, and it all clicks intuitively, then the better play is just messaging her, "Hey, when you get back we need to talk," and not going any deeper into it than that.

She brought this issue up already in May when she attempted to break up then. She also tried to softly bring it up earlier too. Before (in May) I managed to salvage it.

This last time I acknowledge I worsened the divide, but I tried not to let her go and get her to meet me before her flight home, but she refused. Basically the break up happened 2 weeks ago,, just several days before our anniversary. Following few days we exchanged a few messages back and forth. It boiled down to this, paraphrasing a bit:

Me: - "look, let's try to meet and do something nice and try another chance for us to build something special together",

Her: - "I need to think about but I dont know", and then "I am sorry I can't do it... Blah blah... I want to hang out trust me but I made up my mind"

Me: - " ok I don't want to pressurise you... I want you to feel good...So just think about it and we could see when you are back in town"

Her: "Ok ❤️"


And then 2 days later following advice from Skills I wrote to her the card briefly explaining that I understand I made a mistake, and she acknowledged by texting "Your card was unexpected. I want to say thank you for understanding. I want you to be really good and happy and find an amazing partner who's gonna love you the way you deserve."

So I sorta tried the Olive Rule a bit via the card I wrote and also in the message earlier I did mention for her to think and see if we reset thing when she's back... But trying to get her out for our anniversary did not work, she said "she can't do it" - I mean I did reveal too much in texts but hey...

So yeah. She's been away for a week and we haven't talked. Realistically the earliest I could see her is in around a month or so, as I will be away for a bit as well...

Still think it's a good idea to get in touch soon and say "Hey, we should talk when are both back" ?
 

HeartOfChaos

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for me it has work for all the girls i have dated..... the only time i wrote "a letter" (just like you did in case of misunderstanding)/...

they came back from horrible shit i have done.... if you want in pm i can tell you some of the horrible shit! watch the video i posted it explain the why...

Yeah, sure write me some horrible shit you've done man!

I gotta say I had some girls reach back out to me, but it's rare, some even years later, and a few that reached out was more in terms of "I hope you are happy and everything is going well for you", rather than wanting to actually come back...
 

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@Skills- do you still claim Franco's theories on LSE girls are oudated?

-Teevster
Chase is repeating almost exactly what I said... I disagree on the dude being autistic and the no contact rule...

I think franco stuff is legit, i done a lot of that in the past...to do his advice on the girl that broke up with a dude like op is in my opinion not going to work...

Eventually i will clarify the dynamic of a girl dumping a guy just like chase did... But my own take...
 

Teevster

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Chase is repeating almost exactly what I said...

That is not what I am reading.

It seems more aligned with Franco's stuff:

E.g.
"
  • Offering a sudden love confession in response to her claiming a lack of love (WRONG)
  • Offering commitment in response to a breaking-point ultimatum (WRONG)"
Which is basically what I have said all along.

You wanted MORE commitement, remember?

-Teevster
 

Skills

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That is not what I am reading.

It seems more aligned with Franco's stuff:

E.g.
"
  • Offering a sudden love confession in response to her claiming a lack of love (WRONG)
  • Offering commitment in response to a breaking-point ultimatum (WRONG)"
Which is basically what I have said all along.

You wanted MORE commitement, remember?

-Teevster
No... Re read
 

KJ Francis

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Franco would say run

LSE LD - no
LSE HD - fun

HSE - can get closer

While being "Prince from Afar"
 

KJ Francis

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Seems like three fires under guillotine ropes... Gonna getcha regardless.

- being one-down (passion trap)
- lack of progression
- LSE sabotage

Would rather only manage #2...
 

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What does HD and LD mean?
High and low sex drive.

LD, post 25 and 26



HD, post 229


Where can u find Franco's book on LTR's? Thanks
Francoseduction.com has three books

Amazon also has Practical Female Psychology, which he co-wrote

None are specifically about relationship management, but all are relevant for LTR's
 

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Chase is repeating almost exactly what I said... I disagree on the dude being autistic and the no contact rule...

I think franco stuff is legit, i done a lot of that in the past...to do his advice on the girl that broke up with a dude like op is in my opinion not going to work...

Eventually i will clarify the dynamic of a girl dumping a guy just like chase did... But my own take...

Why do you think that following chase/franco advice is not going to work?

If I contact her soon as Chase suggests and say "we need to talk when you are here", I see three things can happen

a) She says no or ignores completely
b) She says ok
c) She probes ("Talk about what?") or is vague ("Need to think about it...")

In case a) it's back to square one, but the big picture of the situation is the same as it was. Case b) is obviously best, while c) requires a bit of maneuvering to deflect her objections...

If I don't contact her at all in near future, then she may detach completely, as Chase points out, and never get the courage to re-initiate or respond later given her issues...
 

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Why do you think that following chase/franco advice is not going to work?

If I contact her soon as Chase suggests and say "we need to talk when you are here", I see three things can happen

a) She says no or ignores completely
b) She says ok
c) She probes ("Talk about what?") or is vague ("Need to think about it...")

In case a) it's back to square one, but the big picture of the situation is the same as it was. Case b) is obviously best, while c) requires a bit of maneuvering to deflect her objections...

If I don't contact her at all in near future, then she may detach completely, as Chase points out, and never get the courage to re-initiate or respond later given her issues...
Why is ‘move on’ not an option?

She can’t be that great, she dumped you after all and clearly has mental problems..

Consider getting a new one.
 

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Whatever I have seen from girls going no contact on me.

Try to be as warm as possible over text but keep text super short.

Mostly they come back around in 20-30 days.

Or at least respond

try to move to call as quickly as possible

but don’t be over emotional or sour on them

Also, somehow bringing back shared memory over text does not work

over the text be mature and keep giving them benefit of doubt, (even if u believe otherwise) like ahh seems busy, is health of everyone ok etc … blah blah, don’t overdo it though

as long as she has not broke up due to other man and attainablity was a problem it will work

If nothing works you can go on a dark path of breaking her down mentally where she don’t have a choice except meeting you - use jealously plotline aonly after you have been warm enough and water is above your neck

Also, had a lot of one-itis and Its not a easy phase tbh but after few one-itis it gets easier

Also, given this is a long time of month, try to bang a few chicks, you have right to do it, will make your jealously plot-line more solid if it comes to that.

P.S. Haven’t read the whole thread
 

KJ Francis

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Why is ‘move on’ not an option?
It's actually pretty wild there does not seem to be a hint of this registering to him... I thought it was interesting Chase didn't really talk about that option (regardless of the no-contact discussion, we know how he feels about girls on pills). Then I remembered in this recent discussion with Hector, they spoke about having essentially a zero success rate for convincing a guy the girl's not right for him. Falling on deaf ears...


It seems he believes he can't do better. I get the sense OP has gone through his mate evaluation / satisficing period and feels that he will not be able to find and/or get a better girl (mentioned no good OLD matches, thinning hair, bad daygame ROI).

@HeartOfChaos even if you are going to go full "Say Anything" and try to get her back like this...


...you still need to go get laid as soon as possible. She will not find you attractive unless you are operating from a place of wanting but not needing her.

When I was going through a relationship breaking point, this was the actual time when I quickly devoured all of Franco's books, and Relationship Roulette by 60 Years of Challenge.

Here is Sixty (likely speaking of HD, not LD like OP's case):

Affection
We all need affection. But you can’t get your necessary fill of female affection from a
crazy woman with low self esteem.
So many of the problems guys have in relationships could be solved if they stopped
trying to get their female affection from women who are bad for them. These emotionally
damaged women can’t give you the kind of affection you are looking for.
The reason why these women are emotionally unstable doesn’t matter. You’re not a
psychiatrist. Just know that if you are looking for pure affection, these women are
not for you. Don’t be one of these men that become obsessed with a woman just
because she doesn’t like them. It just becomes two people who don’t love
themselves trying to get love from the other person.
You’re So Crazy
“Good girls will test you, crazy women sabotage” – Jeremy
Difficult women with issues don’t LOVE themselves. How are they supposed to love
you? They have low self esteem so they think anyone who loves them (you) must be a
LOSER. But the guy who treats them bad, well he must be attractive. Because he sees
what she really thinks about herself. She is lame.
If you want to learn something ask her about her relationship with her father.
You might get some affection form a crazy girl, but you will never get the type of
female affection you are looking for. And although a strong sexual connection is the
glue, affection and friendship is what a long term partnership is really about. What is
the point of having an affection relationship with someone who can’t give it to you?
No, you can’t change her. Remember the old saying, difficult women remain difficult. It’s
very rare and takes a lot of effort for someone to change their core personality. What
you initially see is usually what you will get.
He’s Not That Into You
It’s not that her girlfriends are afraid to tell her that the guy she loves doesn’t like her all
that much. The real truth that the women on The View don’t want to talk about is these
women are only attracted to men who don’t like them because they have low self-
esteem. They only obsess over men who don’t like them back. That’s because they
don’t like themselves. The nice guy who treats them like gold is a loser and the guy
who treats them bad is attractive.
Like I said, crazy.

Freaks, Lies & Agendas
First of all too many guys are ruining their lives trying to get their affection from
damaged women who can never give it to them. These women don’t even love
themselves. How are they supposed to love you? Some of these crazy women may
be fun and the sex amazing, but in the end your need for female affection will never
be fulfilled

It was one-sided monogamy, so I pulled all my stops and slept with six different girls in a week.

Not just for sex... for maximizing every possible square inch of skin contact. A rampage of cuddles.

I call it a Long Island Oxytocin Iced Tea.
 

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It's actually pretty wild there does not seem to be a hint of this registering to him... I thought it was interesting Chase didn't really talk about that option (regardless of the no-contact discussion, we know how he feels about girls on pills). Then I remembered in this recent discussion with Hector, they spoke about having essentially a zero success rate for convincing a guy the girl's not right for him. Falling on deaf ears...


It seems he believes he can't do better. I get the sense OP has gone through his mate evaluation / satisficing period and feels that he will not be able to find and/or get a better girl (mentioned no good OLD matches, thinning hair, bad daygame ROI).

@HeartOfChaos even if you are going to go full "Say Anything" and try to get her back like this...


...you still need to go get laid as soon as possible. She will not find you attractive unless you are operating from a place of wanting but not needing her.

When I was going through a relationship breaking point, this was the actual time when I quickly devoured all of Franco's books, and Relationship Roulette by 60 Years of Challenge.

Here is Sixty (likely speaking of HD, not LD like OP's case):







It was one-sided monogamy, so I pulled all my stops and slept with six different girls in a week.

Not just for sex... for maximizing every possible square inch of skin contact. A rampage of cuddles.

I call it a Long Island Oxytocin Iced Tea.

Hey man, I appreciate your thoughts.

I actually fucked an old fuck buddy of mine a few days ago, who I haven't seen since last summer. Wasn't that great though, I kept losing my erection half way through as kept thinking about my break up.

I had a date / hook up scheduled tomorrow from a dating app, but I decided to cancel it. Because the date is a 38 year old average looking chick, and I realised that I am in no mood to just fuck random mediocre washed up 30 something year old women any longer - because I know that from LTR perspective I will never want to be with them.

I spent so much time, emotional energy and dedication with this Turkish girl over the last 12 months, had some intense experiences with her. Not with any one girl before I spent so much time together. I guess I am simply getting older, and my priorities have changed. I am realising casual hook ups are like smoke and ashes compared to being with one person.

In hundreds of swipes on many dating apps, I can barely get a single match with a half decent looking girl under 30 nowdays.

During 2017-2022, I did reasonably on apps (nothing spectacular), but in recent years it has dried up almost completely.

With daygame, I spent 4 hours last weekend only to get 2 numbers that don't respond - the usual story since I started in 2010.

To compound things: in my mind, I always had an "ideal" image of a woman for me in terms of her ethnicity / background and language (that matches my own). And the simple fact is that the percentage of such women (and people in general) with such criteria is small, in UK at least. Searching for her in UK is like for a needle in a haystack. I came to conclusion a long time ago that I unless I move out of UK, or take some other radical life altering action, I will simply not come across many women of my original background.

This Turk girl is not pure Turkish, a part of her ancestry is kinda close to my own, which also gave her extra "points" from me, and there are some other reasons which made me consider her seriously...
 
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KJ Francis

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Ok that's awesome you are getting out there again.

I think cancelling the date was a mistake though. You are dealing with your body physiology and hormones here. It's like neglecting Maslow's hierarchy.

I believe quality is more important than quantity, but the priority is to first meet your baseline sexual needs through quantity.

If you graduated college with no job and are trying to get a great consulting gig, are you going to pass up jobs that are "beneath" you in the meantime? Or would the consulting companies look at your more favorably if you were at least working somewhere in the meantime. It is always easier to find work when you are employed.

You do not have to show the hot girls pictures of the girls you are banging. But you will come off completely different if you are approaching without having a sex life at all vs. if you have a little rotation of average girls. Night and day.

Why do you assume she is LD?
You said she never had an orgasm.

I really don't know. Maybe "bad girl" vs. "sad girl" is not really accurate. Maybe it's the pills. It really does not matter from the whole Franco perspective. For LTR, he recommends screening out both LSE HD and LD.
 

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You said she never had an orgasm.

I really don't know. Maybe "bad girl" vs. "sad girl" is not really accurate. Maybe it's the pills.

Yeah, I reckon it's the pills. But I think her sex drive is normal - when she was with me, it was not low for sure. Unless your classification of sex drive is purely based on if she has an orgasm or not.

Edit: regarding meeting "baseline sexual needs through quantity". The thing is, I've been on so many dates and done so many approaches over the years, that I got sick of it all years ago.

For me ( unlike many guys on here I guess), going on dates, talking to randoms, etc is not that interesting. Feels like a chore. I'd rather be alone and read a book, or go do some hiking. And I got sick of girls who flaked or who used me on a date just for some attention.

So from around 2017 ish, I simply started screening out all girls who were not super down to fuck from the get go.

Virtually all my dates over last 8 years or so have been set up with the prior verbalised plan "we meet for a drink then go and fuck", or even better "skip the drinks, we meet at your place / mine / hotel and fuck straight away" - obviously not that crass and blunt, but you get the idea...
 
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