Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[topcat]

that is what we all do sometimes that is not enough... Sometimes your "gauge" based on the body language is not enough, in some of the cases... in other words you had 5 girls that you laid gave you the same pattern in the sub, 6 and 7 did exact same pattern but, it was not enough...

I don’t get what you’re saying?

i think you missed the part where i say im always sexualizing subcontextually.

i respond to a girls signals in set, i don’t care what the last seven girls did. when i used to do that i would end up with the issues you describe. I don’t seduce based on that. I respond to how she is affected in front of me, if she accepts my touch, faces me, leans into me, moves with me, signals me (i always wait for signals before asking her to do something with me) then i know for near certain she won’t reject sex.

I’ve had two cases of LMR in like the last 30 lays so something must be working..

 

[Skills]

I don’t get what you’re saying?

i think you missed the part where i say im always sexualizing subcontextually.

brother, we all sexualize subcontextually that is not enough with a minority of women

i respond to a girls signals in set, i don’t care what the last seven girls did. when i used to do that i would end up with the issues you describe. I don’t seduce based on that. I respond to how she is affected in front of me, if she accepts my touch, faces me, leans into me, moves with me, signals me (i always wait for signals before asking her to do something with me) then i know for near certain she won’t reject sex.

of course we all do this...

I’ve had two cases of LMR in like the last 30 lays so something must be working..

surprise you are getting lmr, i haven't gotten lmr in the last 5 years, has nothing to do with lmr, my last lmr was mrs skills.... But anyways...


Topcat, this is more night game clubs, so here we go so i can explain better:

- you had 5 girls you fucked you did the same stuff they follow the same pattern

- then there was couple of girls that did the exact same behavior of the past, and you thought it was a slam dunk

- did not happen, looking back (key word looking back), you think in that case if i done second gen would have worked, you got fooled by assuming it was going to happen...


i was doing both physical and sexual, was saying (i said that in every post to do both on physical game/natural game) i stop doing both cause most interactions didn't call for it now a days in the clubs, and when i was doing it when it did not call for it, i saw the face (too much)...

So yes maybe the market is changing were you may have to go back to do both again..... there was a point that dong both was not were the market was in my experience again night game clubs.... (in dates i always use second gen)...

 

[Spike]

nobody teaches pick up lines, people teach field tested stuff that works.....

Pickup line = a sentence or two that someone said. You telling someone to field test that sentence turns it into a pickup line.

Your frame of reference of what a pickup line is are those cringy, “do you believe in love at first sight or should I walk by again?” sentences.

When both are pickup lines. If you tell people to field test it.

You teach people how to think for themselves by providing examples of situations and showing them how you responded to those situations. Because they are not always going to find themselves in the exact same situations as the examples you provided. And is why it doesn’t matter. Because they already know how to think.

 

[Skills]

Pickup line = a sentence or two that someone said. You telling someone to field test that sentence turns it into a pickup line

Dude I was trolling your sample Jesus

Your frame of reference of what a pickup line is are those cringy, “do you believe in love at first sight or should I walk by again?” sentences.

When both are pickup lines. If you tell people to field test it.

Correct community is based on field testing

You teach people how to think for themselves by providing examples of situations and showing them how you responded to those situations. Because they are not always going to find themselves in the exact same situations as the examples you provided. And is why it doesn’t matter. Because they already know how to think.

Correct every gambits that are made include the above...

Just lol...

Brother this is something i did couple of times that caused me to get laid ..

I said blah

She responded blah

The reason she did that was cause of that ..

Dude reads and field test and fucks up and fix it and try again or work or doesn't work...

Welcome to seduction community..

Listen we can have high iq guys that know how to think and understand it could be bill Gates..

I rather read a gambit that teevester wrote explain the why and tested multiple times vs freestyling... But that's just me..

 

[Spike]

Correct every gambits that are made include the above...

Not every girl will respond the same way or provide the context for the things I responded with.

1) Not every girl is going to say she has to go to the gym early in the morning. And even if she did, the context for you to say what I said will be off because it’s too early for something that explicit. When a sexual frame hasn’t already been established

2) Not every guy is going to find themselves in a situation where they are petting a girl’s cat sitting in her couch. And her respond the way the girl in my example responded. About how her cat usually hates when guys pet her.

3) Not every girl is going to respond that she doesn’t like muscular guys and prefer skinny guys with dad bods to provide the context to say what I said.

4) Not every girl will tell you to say something in Spanish after you tell her you speak Spanish although this one usually happens a lot). But like the first example, the context might be off for you to say something bold like I said. If a sexual frame hasn’t already been established. Saying you’re going to fuck a girl in the ass. 1 minute into the conversation may even get you rejected. And then you’ll conclude “the line doesn’t work bro! I field tested it!”

and I will repeat myself. You don’t need for any of these scenarios and context to be present for you to verbally sexualize an interaction.

just to have top of mind. “Oh I can say something to get her thinking about sex here because she said this. And the context is right for it”

 

[Skills]

Not every girl will respond the same way or provide the context for the things I responded with.

1) Not every girl is going to say she has to go to the gym early in the morning. And even if she did, the context for you to say what I said will be off because it’s too early for something that explicit. When a sexual frame hasn’t already been established

2) Not every guy is going to find themselves in a situation where they are petting a girl’s cat sitting in her couch. And her respond the way the girl in my example responded. About how her cat usually hates when guys pet her.

3) Not every girl is going to respond that she doesn’t like muscular guys and prefer skinny guys with dad bods to provide the context to say what I said.

4) Not every girl will tell you to say something in Spanish after you tell her you speak Spanish although this one usually happens a lot). But like the first example, the context might be off for you to say something bold like I said. If a sexual frame hasn’t already been established. Saying you’re going to fuck a girl in the ass. 1 minute into the conversation may even get you rejected. And then you’ll conclude “the line doesn’t work bro! I field tested it!”

and I will repeat myself. You don’t need for any of these scenarios and context to be present for you to verbally sexualize an interaction.

just to have top of mind. “Oh I can say something to get her thinking about sex here because she said this. And the context is right for it”

no shit! water is wet... the goal of second gen is to steer and have control of the interaction, brother you don't do second gen. and most of the time specially with your target market you probably won't need it...

please show me a lay report were you used second gen

I just realized something @topcat for context, the 2 girls i am talking about have something in common, they were not gen z....

spike you don't do second gen brother(indirect sex talk).... I do and done and gotten laid, with all the different forms of sex talks there are...

this is what i call second gen, (you don't do it)

the example you did is what i call grandmaster

majority of the forum have not done second gen, in a while on lay reports section... Majority of forum does sexual innuendos here and there..

 

[empath]

no shit! water is wet... the goal of second gen is to steer and have control of the interaction, brother you don't do second gen. and most of the time specially with your target market you probably won't need it...

please show me a lay report were you used second gen

I just realized something @topcat for context, the 2 girls i am talking about have something in common, they were not gen z....

spike you don't do second gen brother(indirect sex talk).... I do and done and gotten laid, with all the different forms of sex talks there are...

this is what i call second gen, (you don't do it)

the example you did is what i call grandmaster

majority of the forum have not done second gen, in a while on lay reports section... Majority of forum does sexual innuendos here and there..

If a girl is dtf/green why bother except to screen if she is not autist or won’t feel guilty about casual sex.

also, buy-in can be taken by teasing her do you really want it? Ok-say yes. once she is horny enough, she will comply most girls are submissive.

just screen how comfortable she is with her sexuality.

some girls feel guilty after sex (rare but they exist) in that case 2nd gen maybe useful.

@TomInHo gambit best starnger vs relationship sex

@Teevster self control is sexy, basic - easy to execute and steers convo towards sex

 

[Skills]

If a girl is dtf/green why bother except to screen if she is not autist or won’t feel guilty about casual sex.

also, buy-in can be taken by teasing her do you really want it? Ok-say yes. once she is horny enough, she will comply most girls are submissive.

just screen how comfortable she is with her sexuality.

some girls feel guilty after sex (rare but they exist) in that case 2nd gen maybe useful.

@TomInHo gambit best starnger vs relationship sex

@Teevster self control is sexy, basic - easy to execute and steers convo towards sex

Are you trying to teach me something or just giving your opinion so fat all the answers to op is people telling me shit i written and may videos on... In weak water down way... Really annoying..is someone going to teach me about asd next??

 

[Spike]

If a girl is dtf/green why bother

The girls I’m talking about where I failed to verbally sexualize the conversation. Were dtf and attracted. Because I didn’t. No lay.

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

 

[empath]

Are you trying to teach me something or just giving your opinion so fat all the answers to op is people telling me shit i written and may videos on... In weak water down way... Really annoying..is someone going to teach me about asd next??

Why would I try to teach you something?

Just my thoughts.

I have not found 2nd gen much useful for myself personally apart from those 2 gambits.

 

[empath]

The girls I’m talking about where I failed to verbally sexualize the conversation. Were dtf and attracted. Because I didn’t. No lay.

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

This is something new why can you go more in detail?

 

[Skills]

The girls I’m talking about where I failed to verbally sexualize the conversation. Were dtf and attracted. Because I didn’t. No lay.

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

Yes same

 

[Teevster]

People seem to forget that these gambits are not always used out of necessity (to avoid sexual discomfort and resistance - ASD based), but as a mean to escalate the vibe efficiently, making the pull and the escalation easier.

So even when you "do not need it" , it is still useful.

Also some people like myself are very verbose and talking is natural to us - especially deeper subjects. So to me personally, there is no "cost" associated with using this type of game.

That said, I do admit that it is not always needed. There are also settings where you cannot use it (noisy setting). And you can get success with other tools. To me, I still think that, using sexual verbals is always something I should use whenever the setting allows for it.

But I must admit, I do not always use it, mostly because I am a bit bored of spilling the same sex talk for over 10 years, and I personally find it refreshing getting pulls through other means. But each period I "forget" about the sex talk" my results coincidently plummet - like a lot.

And each time I start using it again, the results are back where they should be.

But... I still love getting laid through other methods. More exciting for someone like me.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

Word. Guilty of this myself.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

People seem to forget that these gambits are not always used out of necessity (to avoid sexual discomfort and resistance - ASD based), but as a mean to escalate the vibe efficiently, making the pull and the escalation easier.

So even when you "do not need it" , it is still useful.

Also some people like myself are very verbose and talking is natural to us - especially deeper subjects. So to me personally, there is no "cost" associated with using this type of game.

That said, I do admit that it is not always needed. There are also settings where you cannot use it (noisy setting). And you can get success with other tools. To me, I still think that, using sexual verbals is always something I should use whenever the setting allows for it.

But I must admit, I do not always use it, mostly because I am a bit bored of spilling the same sex talk for over 10 years, and I personally find it refreshing getting pulls through other means. But each period I "forget" about the sex talk" my results coincidently plummet - like a lot.

And each time I start using it again, the results are back where they should be.

But... I still love getting laid through other methods. More exciting for someone like me.

-Teevster

Thank you

 

[Teevster]

Also, people forget that wen I use my gambits, I always word them differently, or combine gambits - leaving out some aspects, but bringing aspects from another one in. It is mostly free-styling. The gambits are just an example of a theme that I have used in field with great success.

I am all for free-flowing, although there will be some parts that I will have tendency to repeat, making them seem more canned than they actually are.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Also, people forget that wen I use my gambits, I always word them differently, or combine gambits - leaving out some aspects, but bringing aspects from another one in. It is mostly free-styling. The gambits are just an example of a theme that I have used in field with great success.

I am all for free-flowing, although there will be some parts that I will have tendency to repeat, making them seem more canned than they actually are.

-Teevster

Free flowing for Guys that never done is less optimal.... You can understand and get the meta of the gambit and use it your own style
.. or after you get the feel come up with your own..

This script talk like is bad is people that don't understand or like or know.. when I am doing it doesn't ever sound like a script...

Script is just a stawman we all say the same shit mostly
...

Aka script..

 

[Teevster]

Script is just a stawman we all say the same shit mostly
...

Aka script..

Yeah with different words mostly.

-Teevster

 

[topcat]

The girls I’m talking about where I failed to verbally sexualize the conversation. Were dtf and attracted. Because I didn’t. No lay.

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work. When you get used to girls doing most of the work for you lays. Your brain shuts off sometimes and you don’t look for opportunities to verbally sexualize the conversation.

i agree with this

 

[504]

the problem after reflection is that the girls I laid despite not verbally sexualizing the conversation, did most of the work.

@Teevster I remember you said some time back that when you go out to game, girls often open you due to your vibe and/or attire. Did I remember that right?

And on a similar note, if or when you end up in a situation similar to Spike's, do you still try to sexualize the convo as much as possible to induce more compliance, compliance as in "raising her floor as high as possible" to minimize wildcards' influence on the pull as well as humanly possible.

the 2 girls i am talking about have something in common, they were not gen z....

When you say Gen Z, Do you mean Gen Z as in what the internet calls Gen Z (girls currently between 30 and 15 years old) or do you mean girls who are currently between the ages of 18 and 21? Not nitpicking, just conforming my own language to the norm of the guys here.

Regarding Gen Z,
guys who use 2nd Gen Verbals, what has been your experience with seducing Gen Z girls? I remember @Teevster saying he still uses 2nd Gen but changes the focus, but "does 2nd Gen work as well as ever?" is the simple question I'm asking.

Thanks!