The Ace of Spades

[Lucky]

Figure it's about time, I started one of these.
been on these boards since for a long time, GC has acted as pretty much that one mentor figure throughout my much younger years.

the best way to improve is by keeping one of these, I already somewhat keep one offline so this will be a start, somewhere to log progress and keep sharp.

will hopefully start, being a little more active on here in general

let's see how quickly we can make that legend status...

 

[Lucky]

Now there is an revamped introduction drafted but the reports are vital so this will be up first.

Thursday 17th November- Night Game (NG), Club game


Was due in the city for a masquerade party, dress code was just a mask but of course most people do formal for the theme, so to differentiate myself...

Outfit - Black bomber jacket, Black and silver dragon button up shirt, black jeans, black chelseas and 2 necklaces (silver phoenix and skull), black leather wristband.

Night start
Got there a couple minutes early so i used the time to scope out the surrounding area out of curiosity partially but also for logistics, I'm not from the city so logistics are nil and this was a one man op (hadn't done it in a while and i needed to push myself, working solo allows full focus on the self.). found a few interesting spots with potenial for later pull.

After satisfying my curiosity I walked in maybe 12 minutes late into the foyer, the venue is a club/concert type venue and used the start to build some momentum so i start talking with a group of 2 dudes and befriend them and chill with them when i walk in (turned out to also be lone wolves) so i chill with them for a bit and the first set comes by through them surprisingly

Casual Talk/ Momentum - Hot Promoter before set 1

Probably one of the hotter girls there, should have attempted a push on this one (Would have been so easy to use Countries stack hook) but built momentum instead, the friend i made at the foyer is like the ultimate initiater, girl is talking about giving out these color coded glowsticks (Green = single, yellow = one night stand etc) as wristbands and they're talking about the whole weirdness behind asking people if they're single (literally had the perfect opportunity to use the are you single line with context...) before diving into the venue in search of our missing 3rd brother among other things

Set 1 HB- Swiss (Three Set) (Where i need the sharp advice) FU
(Had potential to be my quickest play yet, didn't end up great though)

One of the friends ends up somehow engaging the group (Three Set) so i used the intro to talk to HB's friend who I ended up somewhat knowing cause same course at the same uni and she introduces me to the others there (Hb and her other friend) so once I'm done making small talk about uni and shit.
I engage HB-Swiss, No AI's or anything, kinda had the pre-open set socially so I just did it casually think i tapped her on the elbow/arm (touching established)

KEY
RED= HB
BLUE = Lucky

Approach to hook
Hey so whats your name again?
HB Swiss

asked nationality (looked swiss as fuck) (ended up being mixed)
Hooking tech- Countries Game

Hook to Isolation
then i asked about her course and why she did it (prestigious uni),


hobbies (Horse riding among other things...) (I may have used revamped golden question)
"ahh so your a rich girl"
"ahh i hate that people thinking i'm the stereotypical rich girl like i'm more that that"
screened for logistics (city chick, mentions a suburb where i have no clue where it is)

friends eventually left us to go dance, she stayed (compliance)

First Isolation
led into SOT "Do you consider yourself an adventurous person"
Led into travel asked her about where she's travelled (been all over the world)
asked if she was going to take me around the world
said maybe or something like that
Asked about her favorite place to travel
think she mentioned France during some point
Asked "when she was going to take me there" (Setting up the whole image of us together)
she said something about "the two of us being in the most romantic place in the world"
are you already sizing me up for a relationship... i mean I'm flattered... (Chase Frame)
get some laughter (High Point)

after saying something else and struggling to get her to hear me (had been using whispers into her ear which helped me push the touch barrier more and utilise my deepened voice better) i suggest we move to a spot to talk better

Isolation to pull ( Where I messed up, hit me with the advice here)
When moving to the spot i offer my arm which she takes so she holds my hand for a bit (Compliance) before I'm like i could totally do more wtf Lucky...
So i start grabbing her by the waist (Compliance) then my ego comes in and is like hey there is like a free photo-booth like right there (Also figured preselection if played right...), so I suggest grabbing a photo and of course she like yeah so we go there and we grab a photo i have my arm around her waist and we're posing, totally wanted her to look me in the eyes when it was taken but wasn't able to set it up ):

But consolation prize Cameraman is like
"kiss her on the cheek!"
So I'm thinking i mean it's free compliance and pretty sure that doesn't kill too much tension like a makeout... (Feel free to correct me)
"I'm going to kiss you on the cheek" I whisper into her ear
"okay" (Smile)
Cue the photos
Cheers camera man

after that i lead her to a sitting area close to the foyer and the exit (compliance)

then we start talking, I Deep Dive into her family for a bit was not off with the rich girl assumption,
asked about nationality (swiss mixed) and how she doesn't look like her other side

"not that i'm complaining" when i brought it up (Love the Swedish look...)
"thanks" and cue her laughing
then brought up her dress and how it stands out
again another "thank you" and she goes into it being her expensive formal dress
(Lots of potenial here for push and pull, also may have over-validated here but it was genuine interest)

Somehow that led into her saying she isn't a social/ party person said she isn't really the type that gets out much and somehow leads to her not saying she doesnt get hit on much.

i ask her to take off her mask and she follows through ( Compliance gain + I wanted to be sure she was hot, never underestimate a half mask...)
said she wasnt too bad, just that she probably doesnt notice the other guys looking and not doing anything (More validation need to add push pull) (was tempted to make out here, but wanted to go for gold... alas)

Cold Read/ Rainbow ruse off her earlier statement (not social and not too talkative) "i bet your type of friend people come to because your good listener, so they tell you all their problems and you try your best to give solid advice...

"OMG your exactly right!" (nothing like educated assumptions...)

Wildcard (Friend finds us)
like a second later her friend swings by and is like
"i was looking all over for you, just wanted to say we're on the dance floor"
"I'll be there in a bit, like 5 minutes..." (Compliance gain)

and things go to shit from here

Failure to escalate/ continue the mid game

that may have thrown me off and my brain goes into over drive, cue the thought process being like
Fuck, okay we got this... need to escalate the vibe then pull, can push for make out but i want lay, but how... sex talk is an option but how we implement it... (needed to use a gambit here, need to memorise one...)

So instead of doing something awesome, i lead it back into rapport and overthinking meaning the conversation is slow with pauses because I'm really focused on the next move.
So then of course, I'm guessing she picked up on the hesitation
"hey let's head to the dance floor"
"yeah sure" (should have resisted but brain was fried.)

Dance Floor (Death)
What i learned/ relearned tonight is that I either need to get this whole DF shit down or just avoid it.

So we ended up at the dance floor and danced with her group of friends and one of mine i tried to dance a bit and i got some compliance with dancing with her (spins and pulling each other in a bit each time but i didnt really know what i was doing, and it showed) + physical escalation infront of crowd + her friends is currently a mental sticking point

Then eventually there was a point where all her friends disappeared and she asked if i wanted her number (i figured free compliance so i accepted the grab)
Also i grabbed a selfie (no clue why assuming it a dumb ego thing...)
and i should have attempted to pull in that time frame (did so later, but no success, got a maybe) but i dont think i did this came later at not so great times after i broke circle

I would break off to grab drinks (breaking circle multiple times... not a great idea) occasionally and come back and of course wild cards came into play.
And eventually due to my lack of action on the DF, she kept on popping up next to me and she would be going on her phone like a fuck ton on the DF, eventually she phased out and interest was lost
attempted hail mary when i saw my friend dancing with his girl and to try and reiniate a dance and it's misinterpreted her friend is like
"she doesn't want to go with you"
and she gives her socials out to some wildcard.

Well that sucks, figured i spent a ton of time here, so i head off.

I mean i got number but i debate on the follow up, feel like the DF phase came off as needy and lack of ability to lead when it counted.
Hit me with the most advice here.
I'm pretty sure it's the mid-game to late game where i'm lacking the most, which something i should have picked up on sooner.

My hooks are usually on approach, despite the lack of pre open when I look back in retrospect on my journey...



Casual Talk - Hot Bartender (Hook practice)

Cold Read open as she serves me a drink (Your x right?)
music makes it hard to hear so she leans in
and i guessed right
then I run my Countries Game/ Where am I from stack
get some resistance with the whole I'm not good at guessing nationality
tell her to try anyway
she runs through 3 answers before giving up. then I give the answer...
Don't really continue past that, music made things a bitch so an eject from me when i probably could have stayed in the game and played a bit longer.

Set 2 HB- Medico (Lone wolf) FU

After the shit show which was HB- Swiss, I'm chilling at one of the bars, drinking my drink and observing the club and eventually a girl comes up and near me with some dude tagging a little bit behind her.
Open using the Country Cold Read (Your x right?)
struggles to hear
we both lean in (really got to work on cutting out my leans and instead requesting compliance or moving to close up whispers...)
"No I'm Egyptian"
then i run my countries game stack (Hooked)
mention "it's hard to hear her lets move"
then she's like "yeah we can go outside"
"We can just head to near the entrance there's seats there"
(WTF brain, why...)
"yeah sure"
tells her friend she's going with me

Then admittedly I deep dive pretty terribly, my conversational leading was off and she did help to pick up my weak point asking me questions
mentions a time constraint too ( work in the morning, coffee barista)
jokingly ask if that means "free coffee"
then i move her one more time (compliance) cause the music is still super loud again not outside like i should have but into a corner where there are wildcards/ 2 set of dudes.
Fuck,
also continue to mess up the leading here, needed to make it flirtatious and pull.

dude ends up joining in, one of us breaks circle, dude pretty much shoots up the conversation, dude even asks if we're thing to which we're like no we met...

dude used my phone to get his snap and got the girl to type it in hers, got outplayed for sure.
that was totally on me should have led better and not moved to a wild card haven, he DD'ed and qualified us both playing us like a two set.

convo with the girl of course dies out there says she has to find her friend or something then leave, honestly the conversation was dead anyway when i attempted that second move, and lesson learned on wildcards and night game.

Botched Approach Opening - Navy (2 set)

saw her on Dance Floor (DF) before getting close and giving looks but due to having near zero dance floor game didn't do much.
(Tbh I should have like tried to start a convo on the DF when she was hot)
So i approached her later but i think i was angled towards her with the opening...
"where are you from?" instead of my usual cold read assumption open
get a look, i think she says something maybe "time to go" and then turns to her friend and then they leave together

Can't win em all... yet.
(Note to self- This is why, you open from the side (Body Rocking) work better... maybe I need to stick to the cold read/ assumption openers and hit it while its hot when you have the option)

So i'm kinda there wondering if she said something like follow me or the typical rejection, I wasn't really phased by it, more confused so instead i put on a smile and sat down next to a dude and talked life for a bit as break, by this time most people had already left the club, music was still playing and there was still show on (place had band playing some pretty dope songs), might as well enjoy it for a bit.

Review and moving forward
I dont feel too bad about the FU ups here... (at the moment at least, save for set 2) due to just getting used to playing the field this year, it's more about what I've learned from this experience.

Am attempting to make the switch from a Narc mindset to more of a Mach mindset, figure I'll learn more once I drop the ego and play tactically, also need to work on being focused on the present, sometimes keeping all this stuff in your head can take you out of focus in the moment where it counts.

I know i shouldn't have invested so much time in Set 1 in the DF phase should have left and attempted other sets.

The whole playing this as a sport mentality is useful.

Night game I've found is perfect for identifying the major issues with an individual's game, just due to quantity and the environment lending itself to it.
I need to be aggressive and to fill out more holes in my knowledge
also had opportunities for more sets but didn't follow up, need to work on keeping the action muscle sharp (NG)

was also my first time really moving girls so thats a plus and a wake up call on how quick i can move.

Mid-game needs to be better, need to add some parts to it, pretty sure I have an overfocus on the deep dive, need to lead to SOTs for emotional contagion and setting frames (Def need to work on that last bit)
advice on sharpening SOT's would be highly valued, that travel subtopic helped escalate things with the set 1 incredibly quickly while the lack of SOT with set 2 took me out of the game.

I'll be back in action over the weekend anyway, am going to continue to sharpen what I've learned here.

Potentials/ to be implemented
Also even though my countries games work well (Don't fix what isn't broken) I gotta switch it up a little, don't like being a one trick pony...

- want to work on RPO implementation (Want my hooks to be even more consistent...)

-continued SOT implementation/ testing (for the midgame, need to break up my DD's with something else + emotional contagion)

- Pacing and leading implementation (may have implemented somewhere during set 1) (more conversational control, need to list and contrast as well)

- Implementing Sexual Prizing + gambits (need something to escalate the vibe and general arousal quickly, before the pull)

- switching up my cold reads a little bit (I've experimented with other things but counties seem to be aces...)

Note- Was written a few hours after the night finished, will edit mistakes later.

 

[Lucky]

Sat 19 November, Night Game, Club
Super late entry... have just been caught up with life and all, but kept a rough draft of the night...

will have to edit a bit later...

Was out for a natural friends birthday and this occured after our bar talk and catch up with our group

HB- RGlasses
opened through talking with an old friend from uni after I saw her in the club near the smoking area
said her name and took her a sec to Id that I wasn't some rando, so I talked to her for a bit and was introduced to HB and give the handclasp (compliance)
before her other friend came over to talk to her...
they had some drama so I used the opportunity to move next to her friend and talk...

usual country cold read

"where are you from, you have like the European look"
I get that a lot...

turns out she's Russian and blonde and has a... big personality
ask if she knows any Russian and see if she can teach
I use my countries game and she guesses when I'm from second try (hooked here)
dd into travel wishes on where she wants to go
keep on closing the distance and using the noise as an excuse to whisper (SECT)

say she can buy me a drink when her job comes up

innocence comes up (use this opportunity to enhance my eye contact and move closer) pretty sure somehow through her glasses,
say it's usually the girls who look innocent who aren't
she says I look innocent, like I wouldn't hurt anyone...
say it depends on who you ask
calls it an interesting answer
say I usually get the dangerous vibe

resistance from hell (wildcard)
fat friend comes in and cockblocks says she has to find her friend was pissed off that she was left earlier... doesn't trust me or anyone, says I have a sketchy vibe.
use this to prove my earlier frame the polarity!
get my friend from earlier to say I'm trustworthy then get HB to say the same (social frame)
still encounter resistance, something about a military family
connect a bit on the military part and somehow get to city nightlife am talking to this HB about the city and how I don't club much she relates and says she only heads out every so often
we talk about the city and fantasy...
mentioned this bar themed after a fantasy

fucked up my counter to friend
had the girl wanting to stay with me and telling her friend to find her friend by herself eventually she says I'll go with them to find the friend and get dragged along...
(potential for pull opportunity here, should have taken it...)

eventually we end up back at the spot we were talking at later, again get resistance

got whole untrustworthy gig again, have vague memory of offering my socials and workplace instead of pacing and leading like I should have.
pretty sure this lies under supplication ):

(not my greatest moment, but hey persistence...)

at this point the girl says she'll got with her after I made my promise to bring her there.

(should have held frame, she said she wanted to stay before)

think I ended up losing frame during this point but manage to beat out the resistance enough with her friend and get her to admit she likes me and to continue repeating it and that I should come to club X with them

think I probably lost frame was when i said, I would bring HB to club X later after we talked.


I don't go with them because I'm at this venue for a friend's celebration and the fact that club X is shit


HB and her friend leave for club x
HB says she'll just drink while her friend dances...
I say I can't come and says she wasn't expecting me to

before she leaves I say we should grab coffee sometime and grab the number, my digits, call from her phone routine
tell her I might swing by club X and to text me when she leaves or comes back here

she'll all smiles and all and later gets back to me at around 2 when she left
didn't get it till later cause phone was on silent.

HB- Cape, Two Set
knew the girl from years back but noticed a strong AI stare and I think she broke down...

game on

we (natural friend/ wing and other friend) end up sitting next them to engage this old guy, he isn't really the talking type.
so instead me and natural end up talking with the two set and get introduced
again handclasp on both (compliance)

use counties cold read again, full Aus, then get her to play countries game (hook)

while I'm hooking and she's leaned in a bit, my wing manages to swing behind her to talk with her friend

lots of whispers and leans, strong eye contact and push in close to keep the tension up, she keeps leaning in to hear what I say...

transitioning using SOT on travel and on to adventure and getting her to prove that she's this adventurous person...
keep on closing the distance

Wildcard (lights turn on)
and then the lights turn on... the mood changes instantly and she's out of the trance I have to move away my proximity.
I am out of my head as well, really throws me off so I make same mistakes as Set 1 on Thursday.

She hovers for a bit and my friend pushes me in, he knows I was going well (thinks my end game is all that is lacking)

due to being thrown off I don't really know where to start so I botch my move with HB, conversational leading stalls out, rerun some of the adventure topics instead of pushing forward and am in my head too much...

eventually I disengage after she showing signs of disinterest in convo and talk to rando next to me and her friend

what I should have done was hit on dancing friend but no, my wing had already distracted the other girl, dude basically talked me up the whole night, said he almost forgot to run game...
apparently the girl is a player, said I probs dodged a bullet, and gave me praise for confidence and all.

alas, more practice with this gig at least

and am planning to implement whispers a lot more as well, easy to get proximity and establish a secret vibe and utilise the voice fundamental better...

 

[Lucky]

Sun 20 November, Daygame, Mall

the aftermath of the party, was pretty dead and ended up at another celebration during the day.
stayed over at my wing's...
then went down to the local mall for to get picked up and running off the momentum from the night before, figured more time to get practice in.

went to a store to talk with a friend and whilst doing so ended up talking to his hot coworker while he had to work a bit...

had a some other working HB walk near me and say something like sorry
and caught looks as a left the store after my talk with HB-Tea

didn't end up with an approach there unfortunately ):

the next one ended up more like experimental hook practice.

HB- Tea
was looking over a few times while I talked with my friend who works there, no time to number grab, she ended was preoccupied with a customer...


convo
after catching her just standing and looking around dazed
life of a retail worker... don't blame her

situational are you bored opener
then followed up with a cold read her being new and that she graduated, small talk on what she wants after
dd what she wants to do (nursing) (mention that's the course with the pretty girls (inject light sexuality) )

I think she's hooked here but continue to apply tech before I leave

she asks about my course which I give a direct/ straight forward answer and mention the military as intrigue bait, then she asks more about it and says it's pretty smart/ cool
I tone it down and play it off
turn it into my new compliance game (guessing)
what she thinks my role is (hooks harder)
I get a call to leave and a customer comes up.
before I leave I ask my friend what her name is (project my voice a little) to leave my own show of interest for future reference.

Note to self
have to be somewhat cautious about this store, overhunting and all.
all ready been talked about among the retail workers...

 

[Lucky]

27th of November, Coffee Date, Daygame

Will have to structure a proper report for this, and am currently in set for another date with this HB following the two date structure on the site.

wasn't too much action the week this took place and presently when this is written, so this one has been practice for now.

that girl from the club I ended up following up with will upload the texts in a bit and will have to adapt this report better in time...


scouted out the venue early and booked a table in person, place was pretty packed (fuck)
made small talk with the girl who I made the booking with, didn't know it was this busy etc
then I move to scope the surroundings for places to bounce and isolation locations.

didn't find too much, venue was close to the local mall, bounce locations were closed... should have planned this better was what was echoing through my head...

logistics weren't great on my end, I live out of town with no civilisation near it and my transport is ubers and public transport for the time being...

next best thing was a cafe in town close to hers, which was at least the estimate in my head.

HB RGlasses 2.0, Date 1

we met outside the store and I walk her in, think the girl who took my booking knew what was up and got us a table close to the window and a bit of privacy.
cheers wing girl.

it was lots of deep diving, this date went overtime (3 hours), cause I really enjoyed the conversation talked a lot about her hobbies and relied on travel as an SOT throughout this I sprinkled chase frames which she seemed to accept and she set some sexual frames as well, I qualified on her hobbies...
(I def lost my self here, was really engrossed in the convo)

(she also reflected some questions back, managed to get me talking a bit, used this to set more adventurous frames in myself...)


set lots of us vs the world frames, and future frames of us


lots of chase frames I set, she attempted to set one with the X movie she brought up, because I used that for frame setting a few times...

she asked how long I was around for should have escalated/ attempted to pull there ):

she set sexual frames by mentioning sexual topics, harem series and some X film 90 min

moved next to her in the cafe under the pretext of being hard to hear also let me whisper a bit

she brought up sexual things, missed a day game sex talk opportunity with the 90min X film but i mentioned us watching it together some time...

(was genuinely curious about wtf they would do 90 minutes..., then had a epiphany mid conversation)

at least I verbalised it a bit, I mean what are they going to do for the next 90 minutes, kiss down the neck...

(cue me realising there is a family with like 2, 6-8 year old kids next to us)

(also cue me presently being like wtf Lucky, whispering was an option...)

(potenial issue I may have is I may have set a boyfriend frame with all the future projections I set, teaching me her hobbies some other time, making me stuff, watching a porno together...
you know the typical couples stuff...)

at some point I realised I was low on time and since I told her she brought it up, then I was like fuck I have to hustle like now.

lay opportunity is gone so I have to establish an option now

the second we left the cafe after I got the bill, opened the door for her then I compliance tested a ton, remembered a bit for JJs article.

got my arm around her waist then and pulled her closer

then moved my hand towards her hand and interlocked hands and walked down the street with her (cheers Hector)

then got her to spin compliance, she was like what and I was like cause it feels like one of those moments.
get the spin

on the way to walking her to her car

then I start setting an us against the world frame, role play set up us being criminals and she brings up Bonnie and Clyde

end up talking about discretion after I make a joke about showing off as well, so use that to attempt to set a sexual + chase frame via a story...

kept that up as we walked her to her car in some sketch car park, had to walk through an interesting alley way

(honestly was considering escalation there...)

(made my decision on my move as we walked through the alley, lay is off the table due to my time constraint, but we need to set milestones.)

then we reached her car, kinda knew it was where I would have to leave my mark.
it starts to lightly shower

I admitted I was thinking of something to say when we reached the car
something else suave to say?
is that how I come off?
she said I gave off a very chill vibe earlier at the cafe and she doubled down on it then at the car mentioning when I met her initially when the friend came in...
said something about it being smooth
said I wanted to see what would happen

then she asked something among the lines if the date went well or something

gave the hmmmm

then she got fake offended/ pissed (I think...)

then I just went for it

(had some pretty strong eye contact throughout as well, can say this is a positive for the whole thing.)

(unconscious push and pull here, am proud I've somewhat engrained this in my personality...)

was already somewhat close, so closed the distance and stopped a little bit away kind of expected her to kinda follow up a bit, think she moved in a bit.
then I went all in.

got kiss, pulled away first (I think 5 seconds, didn't want to make the mistake to sticking around too long)

was somewhat in my head, said something like good?
(not sure if lips were too dry or anything so of course that was on my mind...)

then she was like more

and I got pulled back in (fuck) (I think 3 kisses)
(so much for the whole leave her wanting more)
(no clue if I ended them all)

kept it soft, no tongue, didn't want to reach point of no return.


wanted to somewhat attempt to cement the emotions here and ensure a solid ending of the date.
feel like if I didn't do something strong at the end, a second wouldn't have been an option, even if she was super into me


she suggested something about seeing each other again

I had some hesitation here, that was my first and it got me in my head a little bit

said I'd be in touch... drive safe

Review
as one can see from this quickly drafted report, I should have pulled way sooner, she set sexual frames with a porno, sexual series, and a few other things

other escalation windows include, her saying how long she could stick around, mentioning other dudes looking at her... big personality among other things

I mean I was super into the convo, but like I have to be playing for the win here, can always talk after the lay about all this cool stuff...

her house was close, and the mall has plenty of changing rooms...

Bright side, first kiss was obtained and guess I did something right because I got dragged back in.


Future
Have established a second date, text game def needs work, have a good friend assisting on texts due to me being currently preoccupied on personals.

will see if I should be good after not my greatest ping.

PS these reports were rushed, will have to implement proper editing soonish.

 

[Lucky]

Am back from hiatus from this journal (I think...)

for future reference going to using this more to set goals/ ambitions, ID where I'm lacking, observations etc, if I feel the need to move them from my secured notes stored elsewhere, as perspective from others helps at times.

Probs going to move the more important FR's to the actual board there for future and leave a link here to track progression, to ensure that they get seen and I can get more advice consistently, in response to that I'll have to format these reports better for the future as well.

Won't be too active on this as I originally planned, as writing everything down takes a bit longer than I expected but I'll be occasionally around.

The quick update on me
Been more focused on myself, personal things came up and it threw me off a bit, so I spent a while grounding myself and focusing on life stuff, need to sort out my logistics better and how I get transport in and out since I'm no city kid, so been working on getting my licence and eventually a car, along with my continuing part time work and all

Also in my little hiatus been working on new hobbies so I've got something else to work on and hone which I can enjoy besides this.

Surfing/ swimming has been great since I live pretty close to the beach so I might as well put it to use, the beach is a nice venue to meet people plus it's pretty fun, surfing and swimming switches it up from the standard workouts, been getting trained by a good friend.

Started reading books more so like I used to, some good psychology, business and purpose recommendations off here, and I'm planning to get back to reading fantasy and other things a lot more.


also workouts I've fallen a bit behind on so back to the calisthenics grind
Convict Conditioning method, aiming for 4 sessions (2 types CC1 and CC2) a week mixed with basic martial arts on the heavy bag (1 to 2 times a week) and the dumbbells and machine program (DBM) (2 sessions a week) I have in place currently this mixed with the beach (usually once a week) should keep me pretty fit and keep that aspect of my fundamentals sharpened.

Routine

CC1 (2 sets each)
Push ups- Uneven 30, Close 25 to 30 reps
Squats- 30, 25
Handstand Push-up step 4 (halfway) ideally 12 as our mark for each set

CC2 (2 sets each)
Leg raises- step 4 slightly bent, 30 reps
Pull ups- step 6 +7, Uneven (rocky) 15, close, 15 (need to get back to 20 as our mark)
Bridges, straight, 30 reps

DBM (2 sets)
15kg weight not including bar (have to check posture though...)

20 vertical, 20 bicep curls

Machine at 4 weights (16 kg)
arm exercises 2 sets of 10

this is run from my home, which should mean no excuses, ideally will attempt to run through them in the morning.
should also reimplement cold showers, to keep testosterone pumping and keep my discipline and mindset up.

occasionally these will be replaced with my beach activities which is full body workout (surfing)







Updates on my path as a seducer
mistakes were made, old lessons were relearned (moving fast and not being the early bf) and I discovered in person what LMR was the hard way and what the whole failed escalation gig entails,

Part of it I blame on the fact that I focused on my personals and let it bleed into this.
But that's life, gotta be able to take the punches and keep moving no matter how tough the situation is.

You've always got control on how you react to any situation, it also comes down to your internal frame control/ your perception on any given situation.

so in response to those lessons, I've have read up a ton of preventing resistance from occurring and how to deal if it happens again, along with how to run escalation and isolate properly, current logistics make things pretty hard for pull to mine so having more focus on public logistics (fucked this up) and seeding for hers is also part of the repertoire. (plus having a ride will make this so much easier + portable logistics)

this was all from the HB above, which I'm currently assuming is a closed book, I got a decent idea of where I've gone wrong (have a untrained wing who's good for perspective) and will keep the reports for potential to upload, otherwise I'll keep on updating with what's new with me as I continue this journey

wasn't too blinded by the situation through and kept approaching a bit but I need to refine my intent to what it used to be in terms of closing

in addition I've being slowly introducing my younger brother (first year in HS) to the fundamental concepts off this site to have him prepared for his own journey, and sharpen concepts myself (teaching others is a good way to embed them) been introducing him to some of the role models we use in seduction spotlight as well, it also helps that their decent movies plus just older films.

(Didn't realise Cruel intentions has the maddona whore thing in there as well...)








Cross game Intentions

Ideally will have a daygame focus, ran my first street approach not to long ago while walking to the mall, and there's a lot of potential there, just need to hone it more, getting used to approaching in all situations
have gone over Bacchus's meet smooth series for this.

for night, I feel like heading to city serves my purposes better, is a small town here (feels like you run into someone you know everytime) and opportunities seem much more varied up there, only issue is logistics up and back, so am also dedicating time to hunting for closer venues, already have some leads.

although my focus is on the day (because DG is awesome), my schedule doesn't fully allow for that, so cross gaming, preferably stag or maybe with a wing up in the city will be my go to for rapid improvement.

General Points in Seduction which need work

The ABC's - Always be closing, got lazy with this lately, if you don't even try, you've already lost in a cold approach, always better off seeding a meet and number grabbing or attempting instadate
(has been noted after not enough of a push on hired guns lately)

SECT-

S- Needs a little bit of work, can sharpen my voice depth like I've practiced and slow it more

T- should increase it more than a handclasp which I've made standard procedure, just keep it consistent and increasing as long as it's calibrated


E is solid and is enhanced by the containment/ envisioned intent and C I always make a habit to have good proximity

Need more field work to ID alternate issues, probs more I picked up in my secure notes.





Tech with a focus

Cold Read
Been using this as an open for a while but improving upon it with the ability to set traits better and listing characteristics to make it feel more real and set positive frames...
have to refer back to Glows post on it

SOTs and Framing
been experimenting a bit with this more was using a weaker variation of this one here before

Captain Jack adventure frame

"You know(while still holding hand)... I just got here and I've noticed that everyone in this place... is just sticking together with the same people they came here with"
place hand on shoulder. talking in her ear "Like... I really don't get it... I feel like we all come here with the same goal in mind... meet new people and have new experiences, but then so many people just talk to the same people they've known for years" /adventure frame

just need to work on drawing them in more to SOTs and frame setting with things like the chemistry and other gambits gambit and talking about adventure and how you should live life to the fullest...

easy to cover and draw in by changing my wording a bit to make it unique, and slowing and deepening my voice which was discussed above.

 

[Lucky]

And I'm reporting in again...

The quick update on me

Guess who's got his drivers license first try...
thats a milestone achieved and should make this whole game thing a metric fuck ton easier, you know once I have a car
so honestly still a bit to go to go there but we're processing regardless, with that said it's freed up my ability to focus on other things I need to get handled so next up is financial stuff.

As I'm out of HS and in the real world, once i get that shit handled I can focus on moving out and having even better logistics and besides that money frees you, gives you the ability to do whatever you want, so with travel and just freedom in general on my mind this is the next focus point.

Been looking more at sales as my pathway because I tend to love just socialising in general (hint i blame finding this site super early for this a bit ) and have been running through an RE agent's course for a bit online, so getting that handled soon as possible is priority so i can actively move in to that line of work, have a position lined up...

plus all the advice taught here transfers over pretty well, so i guess i could call studying this stuff like correlating homework...
but for real looking forward to getting more freedom here.


Also something random, I occasionally swing by the movie recommendations here in order to keep on getting my little bro to see positive role models and just in general for decent movies, what can i say... most of you guys got decent taste and I like the older stuff compared to most of the new movies.
So i watched the Count of Monte Christo with him, we both loved it, have an understanding of why Chase loves it
also if anyone else reads this

The New Puss In Boots is awesome, don't care if your an adult, that shit beats most of the new movies which has come out lately, watch it and find out for yourself.



Hobbies Update (Workouts, Surf, Reading) (If you feel like other self development stuff...)

Spoiler: Hobbies Update

Workouts
I've been pretty sloppy, am getting back into it for real since a few days ago, was caught up with the license test i guess.
so before i went out to the night game outing I'll link below i did run some tests on my physical ability based off the what i used to be able to pull off, turns out my pull ups need work again, can maybe do 12 close 2 sets and i did mix in some uneven pull ups but struggled a bit there, close push ups are fine though.
what weird was my arms being sore for 2 days afterwards, so def need to fix myself up more in this department, get my physical fundamentals handled so i'm healthier in general and able to tank whatever the world throws at me, and that enhanced game doesn't hurt either.

Surfing
I went into very annoying waters on sat, apparently even experienced surfers suck in this surf
hence my teacher/ good struggling today, as for me I experienced my real first wipe out on a short board (second time using one) followed by a second and third after i just got back to the surface, lessons were learned today...

was a bit of an adrenaline rush and took me a second to regain my composure and reconsider how this whole surfing thing works...
but it's good to experience the tough situations as it trains you up and preps you for whatever is to come, now when the waves are calmer i should be fine just like with everything else, just gotta keep on getting back up

Reading
Have been reading books more on game, with Hector's texting book and college series, need to get back to reading Influence (need to prep for sales work more) and more just straight up fantasy stuff.

My Path as a Seducer
I'm still making mistakes but I'm back hunting again, still need to get drive back to do it consistently but i did game in the past few days
got some focus points zero in on and a few more fun stories, the good thing about seduction is that it's opened up a whole new world of opportunities for just fun stories just socially as well.
it's amazing what the skills taught here can lead to.

I've also been charged with training my younger to be more social, so am currently debating whether to introduce him to the community this early (new teen) instead of just giving small aspects for him to work on...
for now I'll just continue to train him on fundamentals and see if i can work on teaching him how to play the social game better (law of least effort etc), am just cautious of overwhelming him with all the stuff here, like how i was back when i first found this place incredibly young, don't want him overthinking everything to oblivion while taking fuck all action...

As for myself, my journey continues, still feels like I'm learning plenty of lessons but if you keep on shooting like what happened before you start to pick up some wins, its a game of asymmetric returns and when we win, we win big besides either way we get a fun story.


Recent Events...

FR- Returning (first FR after HB-RGlasses with a close...)
Was an attempting a quick number grab, no success but getting that momentum back, when I can, also need to get that other HB off my mind as soon as possible, this is how.

University Club Day (FR doesn't make it to the field reports...)

Spoiler: Uni Club Day FR

this one doesn't need a hyper link as there ain't too much to say on this one there were a few sets i approached but it was more social circle things at the start

I ran into a stunning old female friend (she opened me, got recognised by my classic outfit...)
I hadn't seen in ages and ended up around her group for most of the day was good to just catch up + good preselection
so i kept it indirect (as 2 other girls i hadn't met showed) and chill for the most part, was a group 24/7 which kept the dynamic off a bit and for the most part i was around to catch up with old friends and get free stuff.

did run through some some DD's and attempt some sexual frames on reading (whenever i hear a chick likes to read, i always bring up 50 shades of grey...) though totally missed an SOT on romance (remember emotional contagion) after this chick brought up how she reads romance then was asking what i read...

Also ran into some chick I drove into auto-rejection before who i did attempt to bring back before i called it quits and went off on more adventures, didn't realise she was there because i saw a friend and didn't realise the two other people he was talking to (ie her and i assume her orbiter still) they kinda ran away after i noticed them and gave em the nod.
oh well... formalities.

just went back to to the group i was with and guess i got preselection after she saw me hanging around my old friend, got a text from her later.
but I wasn't too interested not after everything else with progression here and everything I just know I can do better with quality, so i just kept things cordial, I'm not there yet with everything I'm learning but I want to pursue chicks I'm into and this one just feels like business i finished a while ago.

Went to a sports thing afterwards and did more game oriented stuff there, hang out with this group of people i met there and ended up at a girl's dorm for a bit after i managed to get our group to move there (Implied pull to theirs practice?) so i decided to mess around with Sexual Prizing and Gambits for a bit with a Bisexual (not really into her but see potenial as wing, could go either way) did attempt 8 orgasms but she knew which made me go like well so much for practice there...

then i talked club dynamics, the whole maddona whore thing, kinks, funny sex stories.
was fun, is cool to see other perspectives on this stuff, Alek was right when he said it's an interesting topic, especially because it's perceived as taboo.

FR- Uni Costume Party
This will cover parts not included in offical report.

After getting my license i had to celebrate somehow...
lots of missed opportunities here but a it's a swift way on getting diagnostics on my game right now, I would debate i was not at my best due to lack of sleep but that's a bitch excuse, train for all situations.
Also my half mask should have kept me pretty low profile.

Had a 2 set before the party i can update in a bit, used it to get that social momentum nothing too special though, just intrigue baits to practice hook, need to work more on jumping on using chase frames again...





Also attempted contrasting (was attempting to pace but my brain went haywire) on another chick who wasn't super compliant using dress making said something like

So what is it you like about dress making? is it how it making something you've imagined/ dreamt of and turning it into something into the physical world or is it just the aspect of making the dress in your mind choosing the right materials and colours...?

was totally thinking of words to use to try and pace so the reality is probably a lot less smooth...
So this definitely needs work but every time I've experimented with this I've always been somewhat satisfied with the results and how it presents hook opportunities and more

but I want to work wit into this sort of style more that's my only issue... but it usually doesn't work so we'll see, I've read Lofty's journal entry on it, and dropping the wit seems to be the best way to work it...





Focus Points

Spoiler: 3 Focus points

Conversational Leading/ SOT
As detailed in our last report (Uni Costume Party) we fell apart a ton here, so referring back to some of Chase's, Bacchus's and Alek's posts on this, once we actually focus on this and get it down, setting the right frames through moving into SOT's and getting our marks talking about how they feel about this and that + learning open loops for intrigue.


Chase Frames
Now this is used unconsciously sometimes, but i want to make it more common, sometimes it's just the basics you need to go back to and this is meant to be one of our silver bullets, perfect for making things man to woman.

Persistence
As Chase said in one of his articles on this it's best to imagine yourself as a latin lover when it comes down to persisting, right now I am definitely not a latin lover, i let people go off too easily, instead of reframing the situation when it counts and using the objection to sell the HB on myself more, need to consciously train myself to persist to the bitter end in this.

+ i have to remember convincing them to stay or head off with me should increase attraction, so by not persisting I'm losing out on those extra points which could push the tide in my favor. (good way to reframe my mental objections on not persisting.)

PS- Will be editing this later, cause it's late, expect changes to Uni costume party and corrections all around cause am currently dead, need to add the 2 set starting approach, pretty sure its pretty basic though so we'll see.

 

[Lofty]

Also attempted contrasting (was attempting to pace but my brain went haywire) on another chick who wasn't super compliant using dress making said something like

So what is it you like about dress making? is it how it making something you've imagined/ dreamt of and turning it into something into the physical world or is it just the aspect of making the dress in your mind choosing the right materials and colours...?

was totally thinking of words to use to try and pace so the reality is probably a lot less smooth...
So this definitely needs work but every time I've experimented with this I've always been somewhat satisfied with the results and how it presents hook opportunities and more

but I want to work wit into this sort of style more that's my only issue... but it usually doesn't work so we'll see, I've read Lofty's journal entry on it, and dropping the wit seems to be the best way to work it...

Not totally sure what you mean here, but here’s what I’d say to it:

Ideally you shouldn’t “want” to attach the identity of yourself to anything, maybe other than "I am able to create new identities for myself."

It’s like Bruce Lee shit, “be water.” Rather, it’s better to NOT try and mold yourself into any sort of static identity, style, or whatnot, so you can have dynamism between different forms of yourself as you learn, experience, and evolve.

Game-wise, what this is saying is that you want to develop a real tact on perceiving where she’s at and what she needs to take her from stranger to sex, and have a complete openness to take on new forms of yourself to address it.

Every girl and context will have its nuances, so really the optimal thinking there is like “I am who I need to be in this exact moment with this exact girl in this exact context” more so than anything else. Focusing totally and completely on her – not really like “I want to be seducer guy who does XYZ.”

This is also why understanding and getting experience wiith influence is really important. By developing a deep grasp of these widely useful tools and understandings, such as Gunwitch’s 3 Keys, we can perceive where she’s at AND address it to work her in the direction we want her to go. And yeah, influence skills are also translatable to life at large like you said you were noticing.

Conversation management isn’t really something that “doesn’t work.” If someone doesn’t get laid, it’s not a fault of the overall concept of “it’s helpful to converse well.” That stance some may have is a bit silly.

When we break it down with more resolution, which is where we want to live at in order to have the most clarity, we’ll see that there are a whole bunch of things we can learn to manage our conversations – and our ability to influence others – the best that we can.

There’s no magic wand, but there IS an agency we have as humans to influence the frames of the interaction and the states of others.

With this scope, we can see the bigger picture. I know it isn't exactly what you were meaning, but to emphasize on this point, it’s not a direct cause-and-effect between one attempt at an influence tech and “I didn’t get laid, so it doesn’t work.”

And unfortunately, some guys limit themselves like that and really miss out. They throw up their hands and are like, “Well I called her open minded and spontaneous one time, but she didn’t immediately start removing her clothes and sucking my cock. That shit doesn’t work, it’s all a lie!”

Again I know you didn't mean it in that way and that was just to illustrate how crazy that kind of thing is.

Instead, the bigger picture is that a human interaction (and the result of that interaction) have an immense amount of factors. When someone tries to work verbal influence, and when people are interacting in general, there’s so many things going on including:

• What the context of the interaction is – is your social frame in place? What’s the stage of the interaction? Did they open her like a social terrorist or meet smooth in a calibrated way that doesn’t betray her basic social intelligence? Did that set conducive approach narratives? Has she calibratedly been hooked? Immersed? Liminal even, where she’s very impressionable?
  
  
• How it’s done – is the individual applying types of influence tech in appropriate ways at appropriate times? Are they working to grasp how to apply them well, are they working and building off how her state responds to it? Are they “running actions machine-gun-style not connecting” or being more efficacious with it? Are they focusing exactly on her and working off what she needs? Are they persisting with calibration?
  
  
• Where she’s at – what are the frames of the interaction and what is her state like? How has she responded to these frames in her respective states? Is where she's at being used a compass for what happens next, to give her what she needs, and to take her where we want her to go? Is her mind being routed in ways optimal to the lay? Is the seducer grasping concepts like mirror neurons and transition phases? Are they exploiting the way she sees herself and how she wants to be seen?
  
  
• Lots else

Seducing isn’t just one thing. Verbals aren’t one thing. Influence isn’t one thing.

It’s a comprehensive thing where you learn and develop highly variable tools/skills to apply in extremely individualized contexts. Where a whole bunch of factors you can manipulate work together in harmony for you to get the lay – controlling frames and driving her state with influence.

Also attempted contrasting (was attempting to pace but my brain went haywire) on another chick who wasn't super compliant using dress making said something like

So what is it you like about dress making? is it how it making something you've imagined/ dreamt of and turning it into something into the physical world or is it just the aspect of making the dress in your mind choosing the right materials and colours...?

was totally thinking of words to use to try and pace so the reality is probably a lot less smooth...
So this definitely needs work but every time I've experimented with this I've always been somewhat satisfied with the results and how it presents hook opportunities and more

but I want to work wit into this sort of style more that's my only issue... but it usually doesn't work so we'll see, I've read Lofty's journal entry on it, and dropping the wit seems to be the best way to work it...

Take this again for example... it's not like this one attempt decided the whole interaction in a binary fashion. There's a whole bunch of things involved here with all the factors mentioned earlier in mind. In addition, naturally practicing these skills and learning how to best apply them is very important too - of course this will also impact levels of effectiveness. Nicely done to try it out as well!

And yep, I’d recommend you keep working on pacing/leading and contrasting. Though at the same time, It's important to note that it's not about being Richard Bandler out there. It's a common misrepresentation of overall verbal game - while good verbals may indeed integrate degrees of NLP, those are just some of the tools you can call upon to address what she needs and how she needs it. The framing and application of it is still vital.

That's the idea rather than to just froth NLP without seductive purposefulness, like a Toyota commercial or greasy marketing professor might.

Gunwitch explains this in SMMA also. Learn what you need to get the most results, and then you can expand on it from there once your experience grows and you will know how to maximize its usefulness.

But yeah, those are are good tools to elicit like you’re doing, but when the term contrasting is used, it’s more typically in the form of contrasting against something undesirable, such as creepy guys, closed-mindedness, or whatever, with a perspective that sets conducive frames and in effect prizes yourself/your perspectives.

The second sentence of your question has some good thought behind it, though it’s not quite to the point of pacing/leading or contrasting in the ideal seduction sense – not that the labels themselves are that important.

Though when you elicit like “What do you really like about X,” the advantage of building in that following sentence ("is it how it making something...") is that it can really function as a social-frame builder which we want to communicate “I get you in a way no one else does. I understand you and the way you move through the world.” This kind of thing can pace her views, set and lead the frames conducive to the seduction, and guide the conversation into optimal directions - SOTs, etc.

So here we go and to wrap things up, imagine the potential of expanding this one tech outside of a vacuum and looking at how the topic of dressmaking might have been routed in a direction very conducive to seduction. This is an exercise for illustration of these points, and I'll stress that you always want to be working off her as you route a conversation, but for these purposes, here's one example of where that good topic potentially might have been taken with verbals (with pacing, eliciting, focusing on her, etc all along the way):

Spoiler: One example of how the topic could have gone, and how it's about a whole bunch of things working together (and not just the tech in isolation)

> What she likes about dress-making (a great topic)
> Creativity, freedom of expression, and transforming ideas/fantasies into realities
> How amazing it is that she is so creative/open-minded and how she isn’t afraid to allow herself to live her own life to the fullest + express herself in the midst of a society that especially tries to judges and stereotype women into convenient little boxes when each person is so much more than that
> How you hate how unfair it is for women creators in this type of world – a world that far too often sexually objectifies women for their looks instead of appreciating them for their unique talents and who they really are
> How you also remember reading a story about a female streetwear designer who kept being oversexualized by the industry (a true shame and reminiscent of the sad way most men see women) but then started her own business to great success, and how wonderful it was that she finally broke free from the chains of society
> But sadly you understand that it’s not just in the corporate world where women are unfairly oversexualized, as they are also in everyday life by so many men. Your female friends unfortunately face it all the time and you try to help them through it when they want to talk things through with someone, or even when you go out with them and they're groped on by some creep at a bar. It's a true shame that so many guys are like this, and it is your personal belief that human connection is about so much more than groping and looking at women like pieces of meat
> Women truly deserve more than that and to be seen as unique individuals, such as an amazing dressmaker, not be groped on and objectified
> It also reminds you of how you believe that society’s view on sex is unfair for women anyway, trying to objectify and repress them, when they should feel allowed to just do what makes them happy without the fear of judgement from jerks and online avatars
> Continue building in sexual frames, pacing her, setting Us vs. Them frames, escalating the vibe, fractionating, etc.

And of course it all should be worked off of her as you guide the conversation, and that is just one of many, many ways the dressmaking topic could have been potentially used. The point of that was, again, to show that you had a really powerful moment in your hand that was larger beyond one tech usage, and viewing it from the angles discussed in this post may help you accelerate the development of the skills you're working on.

So keep on refining each understanding and tech, field-testing, working it like a sport, and so forth. And along with that, remember to analyze things in the full context of the interaction as you level up a whole bunch of skills within yourself. In time you’ll be in awesome shape with the kinds of women you like and beyond.

It's very clear you’re a highly intelligent and driven guy, and I have no doubt you’ll build the type of life you want for yourself. Congrats on the license, hope this helps, and here’s to many more successes for you!

 

[Lucky]

Not totally sure what you mean here, but here’s what I’d say to it:

Ideally you shouldn’t “want” to attach the identity of yourself to anything, maybe other than "I am able to create new identities for myself."

It’s like Bruce Lee shit, “be water.” Rather, it’s better to NOT try and mold yourself into any sort of static identity, style, or whatnot, so you can have dynamism between different forms of yourself as you learn, experience, and evolve.

Game-wise, what this is saying is that you want to develop a real tact on perceiving where she’s at and what she needs to take her from stranger to sex, and have a complete openness to take on new forms of yourself to address it.

Every girl and context will have its nuances, so really the optimal thinking there is like “I am who I need to be in this exact moment with this exact girl in this exact context” more so than anything else. Focusing totally and completely on her – not really like “I want to be seducer guy who does XYZ.”

This is also why understanding and getting experience wiith influence is really important. By developing a deep grasp of these widely useful tools and understandings, such as Gunwitch’s 3 Keys, we can perceive where she’s at AND address it to work her in the direction we want her to go. And yeah, influence skills are also translatable to life at large like you said you were noticing.

Conversation management isn’t really something that “doesn’t work.” If someone doesn’t get laid, it’s not a fault of the overall concept of “it’s helpful to converse well.” That stance some may have is a bit silly.

When we break it down with more resolution, which is where we want to live at in order to have the most clarity, we’ll see that there are a whole bunch of things we can learn to manage our conversations – and our ability to influence others – the best that we can.

There’s no magic wand, but there IS an agency we have as humans to influence the frames of the interaction and the states of others.

With this scope, we can see the bigger picture. I know it isn't exactly what you were meaning, but to emphasize on this point, it’s not a direct cause-and-effect between one attempt at an influence tech and “I didn’t get laid, so it doesn’t work.”

And unfortunately, some guys limit themselves like that and really miss out. They throw up their hands and are like, “Well I called her open minded and spontaneous one time, but she didn’t immediately start removing her clothes and sucking my cock. That shit doesn’t work, it’s all a lie!”

Again I know you didn't mean it in that way and that was just to illustrate how crazy that kind of thing is.

Instead, the bigger picture is that a human interaction (and the result of that interaction) have an immense amount of factors. When someone tries to work verbal influence, and when people are interacting in general, there’s so many things going on including:

• What the context of the interaction is – is your social frame in place? What’s the stage of the interaction? Did they open her like a social terrorist or meet smooth in a calibrated way that doesn’t betray her basic social intelligence? Did that set conducive approach narratives? Has she calibratedly been hooked? Immersed? Liminal even, where she’s very impressionable?
  
  
• How it’s done – is the individual applying types of influence tech in appropriate ways at appropriate times? Are they working to grasp how to apply them well, are they working and building off how her state responds to it? Are they “running actions machine-gun-style not connecting” or being more efficacious with it? Are they focusing exactly on her and working off what she needs? Are they persisting with calibration?
  
  
• Where she’s at – what are the frames of the interaction and what is her state like? How has she responded to these frames in her respective states? Is where she's at being used a compass for what happens next, to give her what she needs, and to take her where we want her to go? Is her mind being routed in ways optimal to the lay? Is the seducer grasping concepts like mirror neurons and transition phases? Are they exploiting the way she sees herself and how she wants to be seen?
  
  
• Lots else

Seducing isn’t just one thing. Verbals aren’t one thing. Influence isn’t one thing.

It’s a comprehensive thing where you learn and develop highly variable tools/skills to apply in extremely individualized contexts. Where a whole bunch of factors you can manipulate work together in harmony for you to get the lay – controlling frames and driving her state with influence.



Take this again for example... it's not like this one attempt decided the whole interaction in a binary fashion. There's a whole bunch of things involved here with all the factors mentioned earlier in mind. In addition, naturally practicing these skills and learning how to best apply them is very important too - of course this will also impact levels of effectiveness. Nicely done to try it out as well!

And yep, I’d recommend you keep working on pacing/leading and contrasting. Though at the same time, It's important to note that it's not about being Richard Bandler out there. It's a common misrepresentation of overall verbal game - while good verbals may indeed integrate degrees of NLP, those are just some of the tools you can call upon to address what she needs and how she needs it. The framing and application of it is still vital.

That's the idea rather than to just froth NLP without seductive purposefulness, like a Toyota commercial or greasy marketing professor might.

Gunwitch explains this in SMMA also. Learn what you need to get the most results, and then you can expand on it from there once your experience grows and you will know how to maximize its usefulness.

But yeah, those are are good tools to elicit like you’re doing, but when the term contrasting is used, it’s more typically in the form of contrasting against something undesirable, such as creepy guys, closed-mindedness, or whatever, with a perspective that sets conducive frames and in effect prizes yourself/your perspectives.

The second sentence of your question has some good thought behind it, though it’s not quite to the point of pacing/leading or contrasting in the ideal seduction sense – not that the labels themselves are that important.

Though when you elicit like “What do you really like about X,” the advantage of building in that following sentence ("is it how it making something...") is that it can really function as a social-frame builder which we want to communicate “I get you in a way no one else does. I understand you and the way you move through the world.” This kind of thing can pace her views, set and lead the frames conducive to the seduction, and guide the conversation into optimal directions - SOTs, etc.

So here we go and to wrap things up, imagine the potential of expanding this one tech outside of a vacuum and looking at how the topic of dressmaking might have been routed in a direction very conducive to seduction. This is an exercise for illustration of these points, and I'll stress that you always want to be working off her as you route a conversation, but for these purposes, here's one example of where that good topic potentially might have been taken with verbals (with pacing, eliciting, focusing on her, etc all along the way):

Spoiler: One example of how the topic could have gone, and how it's about a whole bunch of things working together (and not just the tech in isolation)

> What she likes about dress-making (a great topic)
> Creativity, freedom of expression, and transforming ideas/fantasies into realities
> How amazing it is that she is so creative/open-minded and how she isn’t afraid to allow herself to live her own life to the fullest + express herself in the midst of a society that especially tries to judges and stereotype women into convenient little boxes when each person is so much more than that
> How you hate how unfair it is for women creators in this type of world – a world that far too often sexually objectifies women for their looks instead of appreciating them for their unique talents and who they really are
> How you also remember reading a story about a female streetwear designer who kept being oversexualized by the industry (a true shame and reminiscent of the sad way most men see women) but then started her own business to great success, and how wonderful it was that she finally broke free from the chains of society
> But sadly you understand that it’s not just in the corporate world where women are unfairly oversexualized, as they are also in everyday life by so many men. Your female friends unfortunately face it all the time and you try to help them through it when they want to talk things through with someone, or even when you go out with them and they're groped on by some creep at a bar. It's a true shame that so many guys are like this, and it is your personal belief that human connection is about so much more than groping and looking at women like pieces of meat
> Women truly deserve more than that and to be seen as unique individuals, such as an amazing dressmaker, not be groped on and objectified
> It also reminds you of how you believe that society’s view on sex is unfair for women anyway, trying to objectify and repress them, when they should feel allowed to just do what makes them happy without the fear of judgement from jerks and online avatars
> Continue building in sexual frames, pacing her, setting Us vs. Them frames, escalating the vibe, fractionating, etc.

And of course it all should be worked off of her as you guide the conversation, and that is just one of many, many ways the dressmaking topic could have been potentially used. The point of that was, again, to show that you had a really powerful moment in your hand that was larger beyond one tech usage, and viewing it from the angles discussed in this post may help you accelerate the development of the skills you're working on.

So keep on refining each understanding and tech, field-testing, working it like a sport, and so forth. And along with that, remember to analyze things in the full context of the interaction as you level up a whole bunch of skills within yourself. In time you’ll be in awesome shape with the kinds of women you like and beyond.

It's very clear you’re a highly intelligent and driven guy, and I have no doubt you’ll build the type of life you want for yourself. Congrats on the license, hope this helps, and here’s to many more successes for you!

Cheers Lofty for the inspiring words, means a ton!

And your journal in itself has massively contributed to my own journey here, especially when I started leaning more towards indirect over direct.
I'm sure many others would say the same


I needed the reminder, seduction relates more to Bruce Lee's be like water statement.
be adaptable, to whatever the situation requires.

I'll work more on getting this influence style of game down, just gotta revise over it all RPOs, SOTS, Pace n leads, leading & contrasting etc
one thing at time though...
(Everything you've linked is awesome for this!)


then implement it tactically/ with calibration...
have to lead this stuff more towards traits conductive for a seduction instead of just whatever comes to mind, move things with a purpose/ intent

I remember Devillious had a guide on RPO creation which mainly used open and adventurous as key words to elicit this type of stuff
and I've got my notes left over from his guide on making these...

+ there's always SECT and other fundamentals which can be improved on as well, while keeping the 3 keys in mind.

Just about revising over this stuff and getting out into the field

 

[Lucky]

Reporting in...



The quick update on me...

Am still figuring things out as one may expect, still progressing through my course whist through my part time gig, not too much has been going down, still need to acquire transport, I've been focused on other things...

but that is high priority, due to where i live, getting to town is only possible through a car, there's no PT or otherwise to get there, so until that's acquired my logistics are still very much limited, so next major steps not just for seduction but my life in general

Spoiler: Next Steps...

Acquiring my car, this is a life thing as mentioned above, needed for work and personals otherwise I'm reliant on others still for ways into town.

Finishing this Sales Course ASAP- Need licensing before i can start work in this industry, so completing this a necessary step furthermore after completing this, potentially continuing on to the next course up also has some value as the ability to operate independently is valued highly as well with being able to sign off on curtain things etc.
First things first will be finishing this current course.

Then i can focus on

Finding leads on RE work- Apparently there's a lack of property managers in town... would be a decent place to start before transitioning in proper agent work, get the experience there then jump up a level or two...
which leads to having myself established financially, which means eventually being to move out and start to focus on major life goals.

feels good to somewhat have a rough plan, will work on the details in time, for now these goals count for something.

Hobbies

Spoiler: Hobbies (if your curious)

Spoiler: Surfing (just relaxation)

Surfing

the training continues once a week, have figured out how to mitigate the intensity of the whole wipeout thing... your board is your best friend

Also have found out to avoid it you have to attempt stand up regardless or you lose and wipeout anyway, so i guess i got that extra motivation to figure this whole thing out, been looking at the tricks you can do, because my teacher is obsessed with this as a hobby and is eager to get me on the boat.

and some of the stuff just looks awesome... can't wait to pick it up

+ I'm becoming a much better swimmer/ perfect full body workout in disguise!

Spoiler: Workout (Physical Fundemental Focus)

Workouts

This was just super inconsistent, so since my last entry I fixed it up a little, since I'm not able to get field experience as much as I'd like i started working on my body fundamentals more as one can never improve on the basics enough.

In order to do this...



I dropped the weights program entirely (felt like it took too much time (think it's just my personal perception maybe i'm bored while i do it?)



And doubled down on calisthenics and in only a few days of working out (4 a week not including surfing) I've already seen results getting compliments and actually seeing changes (was not betting on this so soon) so I'm stoked, getting than lean physique would be sick.

have also bought some wooden gymnastics rings to commit more to this and perform harder exercises and build the whole shoulder stability thing...
also found this dope YT channel for training via these rings, so I'm looking forward to it



i perform the workouts in the morning before i do anything out of my room

Spoiler: workout 1

Workout 1

2 sets of 30 close push ups, 1 set of 10 uneven pushups (both sides)

3 sets of handstand push ups, 12, 12-11, 10-12

2 sets of squats, 25 (need to check posture and ensure their not half squats)

Spoiler: workout 2

Workout 2

2 sets of close pull ups, 12 or more, 1 set of standard or wide pull ups 10 to 12 (Want to work more on the V taper) (This should work on lats...)

2 sets of leg raises, 25 to 27 , 1 set of hanging knee raises, 10

2 sets of bridges (straight), 30

alternated between 4 days straights before rest, surf then just the base 1 set of pull ups on after the surf day in order to continue building towards V taper.



I would also attribute these changes to nutrition as well as I'm eating more to allow for effective muscle growth...

Spoiler: College Sports

College sports

A new one, have joined a local sports league at the university, as I've got some time to do so with my new work schedule, figured i could use something competitive to get testosterone pumping and keep me moving since I'm not going to be running as much with a license and such (used to have to run 1.6 km and 3km to get to places i wanted to go when i was in town...) so this should keep me someone moving and serve as cardio.

+ it gives me something else to focus on besides the coursework and seduction when I'm on campus

Spoiler: Writing?

Writing

haven't really started at least creatively, been focused on the aforementioned + course work and seduction work, will need to flex my creative muscles later on, until then these journal entries and reports are the most I've done in this department...

Spoiler: Reading

Reading

Been reading more pick up stuff occasionally than hobby reading, due to my focuses rn

Finished King of College (hector's stories here have plenty of insight to give)



so currently it's a reread of the alabaster girl.

am also skimming parts of rykers book (verbal game stuff, havent looked much into it but have noticed SOT's, pace n leads etc) and Bishops Journal.



have plans to catch up of more fantasy when i get around to it...

My path as a seducer

Haven't been able to head out and game as much as I'd like in these past few weeks but I'll have a report up shortly, so for the future I will post these things mainly on Sunday to Wednesday as discussed with Mist and Surveyor, cheers again lads.
journal entries will be whenever as this is to track development but will aim for Monday.

As a result of this the focus has been just on fundamentals so the whole workouts thing has def been assisting both mental and physical and I just practice general SECT and voice work while I work at my service gig

In the most recent report I've started to implement more influence techniques ie elicitation (glow), Tourist frame (Bacchus) (only the base framework though...) and Skjoldr's connection gambit (contrasting with minimal listing) which i found some success with, definitely got deep eye contact with the HB at the time and had her immersed for a bit, so testing will continue on that front..., feel like it was missing a level of smoothness though and was more a mix of tech i just threw together like some mad scientist.

Will work on that... a lot of potential there as one might expect.

also was forced to address a bf objection as well with this interaction...


in the meantime I've adopted just the ask how long they've been together then continue convo like nothing happened routine (Gunwitch/ Lofty move) (best for maintaining the social frame and keeping a low profile)

although I've kept counters in mind like...

Spoiler: Alternate BF Objection Counters

Bf objection counters

Gunwitch's other counter "perfect he can serve us breakfast in bed, but if he fucks up the eggs... i'll belt him..."

Franco's (i think?) "Perfect... means your not married"

also pretty sure Hector had something like

"bullshit, what's his middle name"

considering the last real counter I used was "who cares" I call this an improvement

high risk high reward wit and tongue in check fun, but low profile covert stuff which maintains the social frame will probs suit my needs better for now, but of course I'll calibrate based on situation.



Field Reports

Daygame: College Campus Library/ After Hours Soccer Pitch

FR- Distractions from Coursework...



What needs work...

From what i can quickly ID, i think it's mainly intent, so need to use more chase frames, push and pull etc during DD, it's just the basic stuff again...

Still need to work on the action muscle missed shots in the upcoming report...

Spoiler: Missed shots with fixes...

had some random hot babe wave at with while she was her group of friends/ study buddies?, was genuinely considering if i approached her or not before... but let it slip.
(Should have just jumped up, saw she was hot and probs my type, easy as asking if we've met and correcting it if we haven't...)

the two set (FF) who witnessed this and i think the hot blonde one who witnessed me talking to the other chick... gave eyes once i walked past and sat down caught her like a second later
(was thinking i had sports in the next few minutes not enough time...) (had the opportunity earlier though, inducing an AI, and getting to work from there was an option)


was on phone advising my friend when this chick in red swung by to the side of where i was talking to this couches like a 1m away (AI- planted herself there for a bit) gave a quick look while i was talking and hung around for a bit, made the mental note to hit this bitch up ASAP the second i got off phone but then she went to bathroom with her shit then left...

(Should have just told my friend I'll be back, mute him and get that approach done, have done this before as discussed it with him last year, was just off this time.)


Just a matter of building momentum for this again, used to just jump that shit the second it came up, keep the action muscle sharp and practice.
next time will do, got more chances every time I'm back on site for my extra curriculars.

It's cool to have advanced tech to interweave with what we've got but the fundamentals which Chase preaches are the building blocks of all this, so combine that with SECT for subcomms and keep 3 keys in mind while i go through this along with general action and i should be good...



So Key Focuses would be...

Spoiler: FOCUSES.

Qualifying (can probs interweave this with my DD's better and more consistently with my screening with hobbies, motivations etc)

Chase framing (CF) / Push and pull more (lacking in them still, needs to be fixed up, so implementation would be things like Innocence mini gambit (Warped), along with the basic CF stuff like misinterpretation or push and pull with compliments)

Compliance testing more (been using compliance opens, handclasps and hook games consistently but we can do more with implementing small requests and moves during daygame situations leading up to close)

Minor Focus
Containment- just about the visualisation and keeping it sharp, the more I strengthen this and focus my intent, the better my overall subcomms should be, we're already doing this slightly on a unconscious level but strengthening it and combining it with things like the triangle gaze and my already strong eye contact...
should make things next level

New Tech Implementation...?

Spoiler: To be further implemented or tested

Gunwitch opener/ immersion tech
"Do you know who you look like?"

need something different besides my typical cold read stacks, and this is totally something I'd say so why not...

Tourist Frame
- this needs to be memorised better and embedded in my personal frames as I use travel as an SOT so much, this can also lead into connection in different countries contrasted to connection here to proxy towards so many things conductive to a seduction so this is good to have in back pocket.

Elicitation (mirrors and labels to start...)
- Messed around with this a bit on the FR, easy way to make DD's deeper and set frames, also covers conversation management, so continuing to experiment with mirroring and labels is perfect for my progession.

PS
As per usual this will need editing, will run through tomorrow along with report upload