The Traffic Light Method is weak and gay. Respect senior members

[Skills]

I don’t get what you’re saying. I know what trolling is. I said “everyone has a different experience” meaning not everyone will get the same response. 20 messages later and all I am getting is circular reasoning. No one has countered my argument. Why would they? It makes total sense. I’m not sure how I got in the middle of this. But I’m checking out of this thread. Look bruh nothing you said makes a bit of sense either. What am I missing?

The community is based on field testing, a dude goes out there and says to the world wide community i did this 10 times and this was the outcome, i got laid more than without doing what i am reporting everytime i did _____ .... As an example this technique got posted https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...-guide-to-investment-and-qualification.22853/ i may go try it or adapt it to my style, after some clarification... Got me!

A black dude along with 100 other dudes, reads about it and goes out there and ^ mimics with his understanding and own personality whatever the first dude did 10 times as well and see how it works for him....

for some it will work, for other it will not work..... For the ones that did not work they write about it, and the first dude that tried first will look for similarities or variances in what the first dude did, etc.... Then there will be adjustments, misunderstanding etc... Once is better clarify the dude/dudes go out and try again 10 times...

Do you understand Jonjames, or do you want me to clarify?

The way you started the conversation in page 1 and 2 is why you are being treated like this.... re-read your posts...

 

[jonjames]

The community is based on field testing, a dude goes out there and says to the world wide community i did this 10 times and this was the outcome, i got laid more than without doing what i am reporting everytime i did _____ .... As an example this technique got posted https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...-guide-to-investment-and-qualification.22853/ i may go try it or adapt it to my style, after some clarification... Got me!

A black dude along with 100 other dudes, reads about it and goes out there and ^ mimics with his understanding and own personality whatever the first dude did 10 times as well and see how it works for him....

for some it will work, for other it will not work..... For the ones that did not work they write about it, and the first dude that tried first will look for similarities or variances in what the first dude did, etc.... Then there will be adjustments, misunderstanding etc... Once is better clarify the dude/dudes go out and try again 10 times...

Do you understand Jonjames, or do you want me to clarify?

The way you started the conversation in page 1 and 2 is why you are being treated like this.... re-read your posts...

that’s actually exactly what I was saying. You have to try things and find your own experience. I don’t get caught up trying to master some advanced skill that doesn’t work initially. I don’t have time for it. But I 100% agree with your post.

 

[Skills]

that’s actually exactly what I was saying. You have to try things and find your own experience. I don’t get caught up trying to master some advanced skill that doesn’t work initially. I don’t have time for it. But I 100% agree with your post.

Yeah, don't get caught up in all that, some guys are here for your goal, lets say just play basketball in college or high school, some guys want to get to play in the top college programs, some guys want to get to the nba, and some want to be michael jordan....

Just don't get caught up on semantics and stuff, do you... But be careful with the "i don't have time for it" sounds like an excuse, everybody has 24 hours in a day, and it does not require massive amount of time to do pu or to try a technique such as the one in the sample...

P.s. why they call advance is things that are difficult to replicate without massive effort and skill, for instance the example posted by chase in the op...

or pulling a girl in the bathroom, or doing a cold approach 3 some etc...

 

[BigPapa]

Jonjames,

Hey man, you cannot set a frame of argument, then someone addresses it for you, then suddenly change it to something else without referring back to the original comment.

Let alone you forget be objective on a macro. Thus it looks retarded.

I'm writing this as pointers for everyone to recognize how manipulation, or in this case, how TROLLING works. I don't think you know what trolling is but that's another matter altogether

because I don't know what your intention is.

I will not blame him too much for this , as we have some senior members here that use more or less the same "tactic" as he uses

The truth is that the fish starts rotting from the head down , and rookies tend to mimic what they see senior members doing , because they see them more or less as role models ( the main point of having the ranks , otherwise we will not have the ranking system in place ).

 

[trashKENNUT]

BigPapa,

I text you about this to clarify your position.

You do know that you are putting a blanket label on everybody right? Thus i'm included and those senior members that have no problems with you.

I don't want to put you on the spot. But let me take one out from your message.

"He did it intentionally".

You assume that people are "this, this and that" because they address the questions you asked.

So this is you
- you have different way of learning. You learn more by macro than micro and analogy since you like to see the big picture. But this is a forum. So you miss interpret the platform because you think this is offline

- you can't read the room/have some basic level of social interaction at least 'forum-y'

- you assuming people with label based on words because this is a forum, there is bound to be words different in translation. We are all from different countries, different race, different culture, different belief systems

That's bad, very very bad from you,
don't you think?

 

[BigPapa]

BigPapa,

I text you about this to clarify your position.

You do know that you are putting a blanket label on everybody right? Thus i'm included and those senior members that have no problems with you.

I do not really understand why you include yourself & other senior members in what I said since I mentioned quite clear that I am referring to some. Meaning that a couple senior members from the total senior members .

I think I was crystal clear , and I do not have any problems with you or other senior members ( actually I respect most of them ) . What you forgot to also mention that based on our private conversations I also said that once you read like 5-6 times what you say is actually quite philosophical what you are saying - maybe this happens because you use google translate , please correct me if I am wrong .

Again I kinda fail to understand why you are bringing other senior members into discussions , since like I mentioned above I was crystal clear in how I expressed myself and that I was referring to a some senior members , like in a couple from the total .

I don't want to put you on the spot. But let me take one out from your message.

"He did it intentionally".

I believe that the posts are saying the story themselves and makes no sense to bring up again in discussions a dead discussion.

You assume that people are "this, this and that" because they address the questions you asked.

Makes no sense to rekindle a discussion that ended , and everyone can read it and understand what they want from it. I think is better this way

So this is you
- you have different way of learning. You learn more by macro than micro and analogy since you like to see the big picture. But this is a forum. So you miss interpret the platform because you think this is offline

- you can't read the room/have some basic level of social interaction at least 'forum-y'

- you assuming people with label based on words because this is a forum, there is bound to be words different in translation. We are all from different countries, different race, different culture, different belief systems

That's bad, very very bad from you,
don't you think?

I am quite a pragmatic person , I take things how they come . Most of the times I do not even have that much time to think about things and start uber analyzing a discussion .

But again , I think I was crystal clear in my communication and do not really understand why you include yourself and other senior members that I respect into this discussion .

Maybe I am missing something ?

 

[trashKENNUT]

as we have more senior members

You wrote 'MORE' instead of 'some'.

If you want people to relax on you, you need to be relax on others too.

You wrote it wrong on the forum. (So it proves my point on forum dynamics).

*Hair falling out thanks to you while fishing at South China Sea, reading Girlschase*

Maybe I am missing something ?

Yes. You can't just enter a place and want to win arguments based on your merit. Even now you don't address what I pointed about you. And I wrote a lot.

You can't do that.

Because you have not provide tangible value yet or intangible value where people, the community likes you.

Something TRIGGERED you. A senior member that accidentally responded wrongly or something.

Not all bosses or in this case senior members here an asshole. Don't carry that grudge too tightly. I can smell it. It's a problem from a past.

I can smell it because I fought with one terrible boss last year. He was a legit asshole that people at the bottom didn't like. I did the same thing you did.

But the boss here is a great guy.

So stop it. Don't bring your old state here.

 

[BigPapa]

You wrote 'MORE' instead of 'some'.

Ah yes I see what you mean . It was a typo as I wrote the post without rereading it . Will fix it to "some"

If you want people to relax on you, you need to be relax on others too.

You wrote it wrong on the forum. (So it proves my point on forum dynamics).

*Hair falling out thanks to you while fishing at South China Sea, reading Girlschase*



Yes. You can't just enter a place and want to win arguments based on your merit. Even now you don't address what I pointed about you. And I wrote a lot.

You can't do that.

Because you have not provide tangible value yet or intangible value where people, the community likes you.

Something TRIGGERED you. A senior member that accidentally responded wrongly or something.

Not all bosses or in this case senior members here an asshole. Don't carry that grudge too tightly. I can smell it. It's a problem from a past.

I can smell it because I fought with one terrible boss last year. He was a legit asshole that people at the bottom didn't like. I did the same thing you did.

But the boss here is a great guy.

So stop it. Don't bring your old state here.

Well I still maintain my point of view .

People come here for different reasons (like you pointed out to be part of a community and be liked) , while I am interested in following the truth (and talk with people that are actually advanced and pinpoint where I get things wrong) and not be liked by everyone. Ok , and maybe to give some advices to less experienced guys , but this is mainly because I want to give something back to society .

Coming back to your main point , I am saying that you can not expect people to behave in a certain way (and hammer them because of that) if you do not respect those things in the first place .

" With great power comes great responsibility" , so you can not take a moral high ground ,while you are doing the opposite . It is called being a hypocrite

Thus being said , since I am not interested in being liked by everyone it makes no sense to social police me . Like you mentioned , it is not about me not being right , it is about that people feel offended ( for no reason if you ask me )

 

[trashKENNUT]

Well I still maintain my point of view .

People come here for different reasons (like you pointed out to be part of a community and be liked) , while I am interested in following the truth (and talk with people that are actually advanced and pinpoint where I get things wrong)

You can't find out truth if you maintain your point of view. That's truth in your own definition and liking.

 

[BigPapa]

You can't find out truth if you maintain your point of view. That's truth in your own definition and liking.

Just having a penis is not enough anymore to be called a man , and for sure you can not be a good seducer if you are not a man first . Guys this days are more sensitive than women on average

We need another world war so guys toughen up and become men . Maybe I am a little bit extremist when talking about needing another world war ,maybe not

 

[Teevster]

Just having a penis is not enough anymore to be called a man , and for sure you can not be a good seducer if you are not a man first . Guys this days are more sensitive than women on average

Being sensitive and compassionate is an advantage in pick up. Just saying. We are dealing with emotions, sensations and immersive language. Thinking more like a woman allows for better pacing.

Some people may call me less a man while they watch me get my dick sucked, while they flex their muscles like a bunch of (cucked) alphas.

 

[trashKENNUT]

BigPapa,

You running away again. By introducing another analogy.

Err not good brother. Terrible.

 

[BigPapa]

Being sensitive and compassionate is an advantage in pick up. Just saying. We are dealing with emotions, sensations and immersive language. Thinking more like a woman allows for better pacing.

Some people may call me less a man while they watch me get my dick sucked, while they flex their muscles like a bunch of (cucked) alphas.

If by this you refer to being high in empathy and emotional intelligence , then I totally agree with you.

All the best military commanders from ancient history till present days had high EQ, otherwise they would not have been able to lead the army , and shape history as we know it

 

[jonjames]

P.s. why they call advance is things that are difficult to replicate without massive effort and skill, for instance the example posted by chase in the op...

or pulling a girl in the bathroom, or doing a cold approach 3 some etc...

Bet. That shit is definitely worth effort. But you can also make that happen by being high status. Everybody only got so much time. So there’s gotta be a trade off between where you put your time. Do you want to work on your status or work on your skills with women? Both have the same result, a better sex life.

You seem reasonable. So for a guy who wants a better sex life, but has no intent on making pickup a vocation what is the benefit in sacrificing time that could have been spent raising your status? I don’t think a lot of people here realize that most men don’t want to get advanced. They want to do better with women from cold approach. The marketing is kind of off. They’re marketing a product no one wants. Most guys, from what I’ve gathered so far, just want to work on fundamentals. This site is the only resource there is. A fundamentals program would probably sell extremely well.

 

[BigPapa]

Bet. That shit is definitely worth effort. But you can also make that happen by being high status. Everybody only got so much time. So there’s gotta be a trade off between where you put your time. Do you want to work on your status or work on your skills with women? Both have the same result, a better sex life.

You seem reasonable. So for a guy who wants a better sex life, but has no intent on making pickup a vocation what is the benefit in sacrificing time that could have been spent raising your status?

Being high status does not mean that you will get laid more , unless you make use of your status to get laid. Making use of your status is not seduction, is sexual harassment , and sooner or later you will get a #me2 movement just like Hervey Weinstein .

Now , having high status means that most of the time women will give you a shot to seduce them , but this does not mean that you will also be able to do that with little to no game.

If you really want to improve with women the only way is to do this by learning game , so you need to put a couple of hours weekly in learning game

 

[jonjames]

Being high status does not mean that you will get laid more , unless you make use of your status to get laid. Making use of your status is not seduction, is sexual harassment , and sooner or later you will get a #me2 movement just like Hervey Weinstein .

Now , having high status means that most of the time women will give you a shot to seduce them , but this does not mean that you will also be able to do that with little to no game.

If you really want to improve with women the only way is to do this by learning game , so you need to put a couple of hours weekly in learning game

Agreed. Status gets you the opportunity. Everybody got a base level of game though. a lot of high Status guys have decent game.

2 hours a week is fine. I’ve already been studying two hours a week. a lot of puas recommend four or more nights a week out. I have time to go out once or twice a week. But if I have a couple bumble dates then I won’t go out at all that week. Id like to learn from where I’m at. I know I could do better with framing, but I understand the psychology concept fully. I haven’t seen anyone on here discuss anything that is applicable to me getting better right now.

I’m hoping it’s just that we’re in a strange time. When things get back to normal I hope to find more relevant content. I’ve been reading some girls chase articles and I really this @Chase dudes writing. Some of the other guys it’s like a foreign language and doesn’t interest me.

 

[Skills]

Bet. That shit is definitely worth effort. But you can also make that happen by being high status. Everybody only got so much time. So there’s gotta be a trade off between where you put your time. Do you want to work on your status or work on your skills with women? Both have the same result, a better sex life.

You seem reasonable. So for a guy who wants a better sex life, but has no intent on making pickup a vocation what is the benefit in sacrificing time that could have been spent raising your status? I don’t think a lot of people here realize that most men don’t want to get advanced. They want to do better with women from cold approach. The marketing is kind of off. They’re marketing a product no one wants. Most guys, from what I’ve gathered so far, just want to work on fundamentals. This site is the only resource there is. A fundamentals program would probably sell extremely well.

What are you talking about, if "noone wants" how do you know what everybody wants, if no one want wants it, it would not sell... Status alone will not help you much, and is easier to learn game that to achieve high status if you learn game you will get status anyways (charisma).... I don't understand your complains, now you are starting to seem like you are "reaching" for problems were there are not...

if you just care about basic fundamentals you do not even need a book, most of the stuff is available for free in forums.

Again about pick up and time management, is just a big excuse, such as the guys that say "i do not have time to lift" or any other excuse here:http://www.theskillsmethod.com/manage-professional-life-business-school-clubbing/

 

[Carousel]

What are you talking about, if "noone wants" how do you know what everybody wants, if no one want wants it, it would not sell... Status alone will not help you much, and is easier to learn game that to achieve high status if you learn game you will get status anyways (charisma).... I don't understand your complains, now you are starting to seem like you are "reaching" for problems were there are not...

if you just care about basic fundamentals you do not even need a book, most of the stuff is available for free in forums.

Again about pick up and time management, is just a big excuse, such as the guys that say "i do not have time to lift" or any other excuse here:http://www.theskillsmethod.com/manage-professional-life-business-school-clubbing/

He is a troll.

 

[BigPapa]

Agreed. Status gets you the opportunity. Everybody got a base level of game though. a lot of high Status guys have decent game.

2 hours a week is fine. I’ve already been studying two hours a week. a lot of puas recommend four or more nights a week out. I have time to go out once or twice a week. But if I have a couple bumble dates then I won’t go out at all that week. Id like to learn from where I’m at. I know I could do better with framing, but I understand the psychology concept fully. I haven’t seen anyone on here discuss anything that is applicable to me getting better right now.

I’m hoping it’s just that we’re in a strange time. When things get back to normal I hope to find more relevant content. I’ve been reading some girls chase articles and I really this @Chase dudes writing. Some of the other guys it’s like a foreign language and doesn’t interest me.

What is important though is to have a clear delimitation between what high status means and having good fundamentals means. It is true that by being high status usually you have good fundamentals , but it is not always the case

You can learn game also by doing day game when you are walking to work , doing shopping , whatever . So you can easily squeeze learning game when you do your day to day things , not only when you go out

 

[jonjames]

What are you talking about, if "noone wants" how do you know what everybody wants, if no one want wants it, it would not sell... Status alone will not help you much, and is easier to learn game that to achieve high status if you learn game you will get status anyways (charisma).... I don't understand your complains, now you are starting to seem like you are "reaching" for problems were there are not...

if you just care about basic fundamentals you do not even need a book, most of the stuff is available for free in forums.

Again about pick up and time management, is just a big excuse, such as the guys that say "i do not have time to lift" or any other excuse here:http://www.theskillsmethod.com/manage-professional-life-business-school-clubbing/

I had status since middle school because of sports all the way to college. Playing football in a college town is like being a celebrity in a big city. That was the highest status I been. I miss that. College was dope.

Now as an adult I’ve got status again. That time between having high status then not having it then having it again let me see shit from a different perspective most don’t get. And bruh status makes shit easy. Dudes fuckit up. Fucking clowns and simps. Which is like 95% the population. But nah bro. When you have status you good.

I grew up around pimps so I been around game my whole life. like pac said “I learned not to trust the bitches from the prostitutes it’s hard lessons.”

You are right I don’t know what everyone wants. But it seems a rather large faction of this board wants to talk basic pickup not advanced. I bet those are the ones more likely to spend money here. But they have to feel the product is relatable. I mean I could afford it and would be in the market for something that would help me. “An intermediated guide of open to close.” I’d buy that. I’d also pay for full infields. I would be a customer if what I was interested in was being marketed to me.