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Maybe we can use rules similar to the Stack Exchange networkStack Exchange network
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All right, I hear you guys.
The curse of success. Google starts sending the forum a bunch more traffic, so now instead of guys finding it via GC, they are finding it via Google Search, then you get all these clueless newbies flooding in.
I've made a few updates -- here's where we stand:
I think this hits the happy medium of not totally banning them from participating in these boards, but restricting their ability to start threads there.
Obviously, if we have some idiot who goes crazy spamming nonsense replies on one of these boards, that will be a case where a dude just needs to be warned or banned. But in my experience, stopping them from creating threads should stop most of the noise.
(I made that change to T/T a few years back after new guys kept not reading the guidelines for that board and either posting hypothetical non-field-tested tactics "Here's a great idea I just had -- never tested but maybe it would work!" or else question posts like "What do you guys do if blah blah blah?" -- which, again, are not original field-tested contributions. It cleaned that board up a lot, and we haven't really had an issue of newbies spamming T/T posts with irrelevant replies or anything)
Longer-term, I'd like to have an auto-suggest module that can create reports suggest to mods when a new user might be ready to bump up to a higher rank. That way quality users do not have to wait for us to sit down for a complete rank review, which sometimes we do not do for many months.
I had an LLM work out the logic for me, and it was quite good. Then I had the LLM write the add-on for me, and spent a few hours trying to get it working before throwing my hands up in disgust. So that will definitely still be something we need a human to code up.
OTHER OPTIONS
If we find newbies are coming on and spamming Beginners and that is getting too annoying, then we have a few more options to deal with that:
But let's see if restricting where Rank 0s & 1s can start threads cleans things up before we start doing more stuff here.
Chase
The curse of success. Google starts sending the forum a bunch more traffic, so now instead of guys finding it via GC, they are finding it via Google Search, then you get all these clueless newbies flooding in.
I've made a few updates -- here's where we stand:
- Rookies (Rank 0) and Space Monkeys (Rank 1) now can only REPLY but not START THREADS in:
- General
- Tactics & Techniques (← has already been the case in this forum for several years)
- Texting & Online
- Lifestyle
- Relationships
- Sex
- Off Topic (I know no one suggested this, but it should stop most of the "politics newbs" who come on here to post provocative stuff in OT as soon as they join, which IMO is pretty annoying/distracting)
- They continue to have their original access to:
- Beginners
- Field Reports
- Journals
- Marketplace
- Wingman Finder
- Community
- (And they continue to be unable to even reply on Advanced)
I think this hits the happy medium of not totally banning them from participating in these boards, but restricting their ability to start threads there.
Obviously, if we have some idiot who goes crazy spamming nonsense replies on one of these boards, that will be a case where a dude just needs to be warned or banned. But in my experience, stopping them from creating threads should stop most of the noise.
(I made that change to T/T a few years back after new guys kept not reading the guidelines for that board and either posting hypothetical non-field-tested tactics "Here's a great idea I just had -- never tested but maybe it would work!" or else question posts like "What do you guys do if blah blah blah?" -- which, again, are not original field-tested contributions. It cleaned that board up a lot, and we haven't really had an issue of newbies spamming T/T posts with irrelevant replies or anything)
Longer-term, I'd like to have an auto-suggest module that can create reports suggest to mods when a new user might be ready to bump up to a higher rank. That way quality users do not have to wait for us to sit down for a complete rank review, which sometimes we do not do for many months.
I had an LLM work out the logic for me, and it was quite good. Then I had the LLM write the add-on for me, and spent a few hours trying to get it working before throwing my hands up in disgust. So that will definitely still be something we need a human to code up.
OTHER OPTIONS
If we find newbies are coming on and spamming Beginners and that is getting too annoying, then we have a few more options to deal with that:
- Limit Rank 0s and 1 in how many new threads they can create in a certain span of time (like, e.g., 1 thread per day for Rookies and 2 per day for Space Monkeys, or something)
- Separate out Beginner Board notification from the rest of them, so guys checking the "Recent posts" box can see that split between what's in Beginners vs. what is everywhere else
- Or if guys are using the "New posts" button, maybe we can add some way to highlight posts more based on the forum they are in, or the rank of the member posting them, etc.
But let's see if restricting where Rank 0s & 1s can start threads cleans things up before we start doing more stuff here.
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NEW CONTENT LIMITATIONS
Made one further change. I've installed an add-on that is supposed to limit how much content users can create.
Assuming it is working correctly(?), the only affected users should be Rookies and Space Monkeys. I've set the restrictions as follows:
Once a user is upgraded to Tool-Bearing Hominid or above, all these restrictions are lifted.
If you guys think we're restricting new members too much here, let me know what you think the limits should be. Though I think 2 threads per day and 8 posts per day is probably enough, and I also don't want newbs spamming DMs to people either.
Also, if this add-on turns out to be glitchy in any way / the wrong people are being affected / etc., let me know that too.
Chase
Made one further change. I've installed an add-on that is supposed to limit how much content users can create.
Assuming it is working correctly(?), the only affected users should be Rookies and Space Monkeys. I've set the restrictions as follows:
- Able to create two (2) new threads per day
- Able to make eight (8) posts/replies per day
- Able to initiate a DM conversation with two (2) users per day (Space Monkeys only; Rookies cannot initiate new DMs)
- Able to write up to four (4) messages in DM conversations per day
Once a user is upgraded to Tool-Bearing Hominid or above, all these restrictions are lifted.
If you guys think we're restricting new members too much here, let me know what you think the limits should be. Though I think 2 threads per day and 8 posts per day is probably enough, and I also don't want newbs spamming DMs to people either.
Also, if this add-on turns out to be glitchy in any way / the wrong people are being affected / etc., let me know that too.
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I think this is perfect, should lead to more thoughtful posts from new members. I’m not sure of the tech involved but it may be helpful to add some kind of popup, something like:
“Hey! New Member, Welcome to the Skilled Seducer forum, these are the guidelines and dynamics when it comes to posting etc etc.”
With brief reasonings behind why there is a limit, and how to make posts that lead to having the limits lifted.
Being a new member on a forum like this can be intimidating if they’re coming in with the right intent. So a gentle but firm nudge in the right direction maybe won’t make us come across more intimidating than it already is at face value.
The guys with bad intent or lack of wherewithal to understand why these rules are in place will prob still burn up their posts on the things everyone has already been complaining about.
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yeah I think a letter of intent could be helpful "this place is for discussing technical pick up skills. It is intended for guys who are actively in field practicing, or have a good deal of experience in field and share knowledge"
maybe also pointing them towards something will help them format field reports well and such.
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Good idea. And to minimize confusion, this popup should also appear when they attempt to make a post that they aren't allowed to.
E.g. newbie tries to make a post in General, when they hit Submit they get an error that says "Oops! You're not allowed to do that right now. For more information, please take a look at this (link to ranking posting rules)".
Then instead of complaining in Chat they'll be like oh okay I can only post in Beginners right now.
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I've got it set up now to send a welcome PM to all new users.
Here's the text of the welcome message:
Here's the text of the welcome message:
Welcome PM said:Welcome aboard!
You’ve joined Skilled Seducer, the hub of the modern seduction community.
Here you’ll have access to cutting edge seduction strategies, a place to share reports, get feedback, and ask questions, and be around some of the most talented active seducers in the world.
Due to this forum’s prominence, we receive a constant stream of new members, many of them new to seduction. To avoid the same questions being posed repeatedly, we request that before you ask anything you ‘DAFS’ (“Do A F***ing Search’!) to see if your topic’s been addressed in the past. We also place some restrictions on new members:
As a new member, you’ll be able to participate in discussions on almost every board on the forum (save for Advanced). However, you will be limited to starting threads only on the following boards:
Beginners — ask beginner questions here or advise other members who are new
As a Rookie (brand new member), you’ll also be restricted from sending Private Messages. Once you reach the rank of Space Monkey, you’ll be able to PM members who have their messages open.
New members also have several post limitations:
• Start up to two (2) new threads per day
• Author up to eight (8) posts/replies per day
• Initiate a private message (PM) conversation with up to two (2) new users per day (Space Monkey rank)
• Send up to four (4) PM messages per day (Space Monkey rank)
These limitations are in place to help new members get acquainted with the forum culture and philosophy without bombarding the forum with content (we know; you’re very excited. We’re excited to have you here too! But we need to get you familiarized with this place before we let you run totally wild).
Before posting in any board, please read the stickied “READ BEFORE POSTING” rules for that board. Each board has its own unique rules, in addition to the general forum rules.
We also strongly recommend you read the following posts:
HOW TO BEHAVE ON A FORUM: a primer on getting along with your fellow members:
New to Forums? HOW TO BEHAVE to Make Friends & Not Be a Drama Queen
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How Do I Know Members on the Forum Aren't Making Everything Up?
This is a question we see from time-to-time from new members. Sometimes it is asked earnestly. Sometimes it comes out as cognitive dissonance, where a new member argues members who have greater seniority than he has are lying, exaggerating, or charlatans. The new member may be: Genuinely...
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The focus of this forum is on active skill-building and self-development.
It’s expected if you are posting here that you are in the field, or have extensive in-field experience.
Our culture is very anti-“keyboard jockey” — that is, people offering opinions and hypothetical takes on things they have not actually done, or have not been able to repeat.
Everyone has an opinion, and everyone is welcome to theirs — but here, we discuss battle-tested tactics and strategies proven in the field to work, that way we can all get better together (and not be stuck talking theory, like almost everywhere else on the web is).
You won’t find another community online like Skilled Seducer. We go out of our way to keep it this way, too.
Have fun, get acquainted with the community, get in-field, and let’s get you seducing some beautiful girls!
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I believe the "new thread" button simply does not even appear if the user doesn't have permissions to post in a given board.
Hopefully, with us telling them in the welcome PM which boards they have access to, plus them being able to see the new thread button in some forums but not others, they will be able to figure it out?
If we're still getting confused guys writing "how come I can't start a thread in XYZ forum?" though LMK and we'll think about other solutions.
We could update all the "READ BEFORE POSTING" forum guidelines, for instance, to note which forums guys will get access to at which ranks.
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I know I'm new here but I have an idea that actually might be helpful to you in tackling this problem:
You could also add a MCQ quiz on forum rules, for new posters, before the very first post in each sub-forum. Unlimited attempts, but you have to score a 100%.
That adds an extra step of "work", or a hoop to jump through if you will, that someone who made an account just to shitpost is going to avoid. Shitposters are generally lazy.
But then again, someone who is really motivated and wants to post here, after some time of lurking is not going to be content with just lurking anymore and will eventually make an account and breeze through the MCQ.
Might be an easy way to filter out trolls, or just to have an added layer of protection.
You could also add a MCQ quiz on forum rules, for new posters, before the very first post in each sub-forum. Unlimited attempts, but you have to score a 100%.
That adds an extra step of "work", or a hoop to jump through if you will, that someone who made an account just to shitpost is going to avoid. Shitposters are generally lazy.
But then again, someone who is really motivated and wants to post here, after some time of lurking is not going to be content with just lurking anymore and will eventually make an account and breeze through the MCQ.
Might be an easy way to filter out trolls, or just to have an added layer of protection.
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Hey guys,
Sorry to revisit this topic again. But is it just me or does anyone else feel this way too?
Recently, I think the forum is taking a turn for the worse. You have some posters who are starting threads and posting numerous messages per day which is filled with negativity, venting, doom and gloom, complaining, reinforcing and trying to impose and get justifications for their limiting beliefs.
As I see it many of them have problems that are outside the scope of seduction and probably need theraputic intervention. They seem to lack even the most basic social awareness and have no clue about how they are coming across.
The experienced and senior members have over and over again on many threads given them advice and encouragement but all they seem to do is double down on their beliefs and reinforce them with every new experience they have.
I know you always had people like this on forums but I feel the ratio is beginning to tilt. There are 9 low value, venting type posts to 1 good quality post.
In fact guys who actually post something from the field hardly get any engagement. They have 1 or 2 replies whereas guys posting about how hard it is for them, how bad their night was, how brutal it is out there etc get pages and pages of low quality back and forth arguments.
This forum had great stuff even like a year ago. I believe it really is the last truly seduction oriented active forum out there. But I see the same redpill, negativity, black pill colored stuff taking over here as it has already transpired on YT and other platforms.
Seriously nowadays you hardly see an inspiring post here and skimming through the new posts section is filled with venting and complaining type posts.
I just wanted to write this here because I think this forum has given me a lot and has helped me immensely on my cold approach journey over the last 2 years. I am very grateful for that and in turn I have tried to give back as much value as I can from my own experiences to help people on here who genuinely were looking for help and taking action with a positive attitude.
Special thanks go out to @Skills @Chase @Atlas IV @alexlaguma @DoWhatWorks @topcat @Stark (who seems to have disappeared) @Warped Mindless @Will_V @James D and some others I might have forgotten to mention. You guys have provided massive value and inspired me.
Also to the genuine action takers like @gameboy @ChrisXKiss @bkw @barneystin @Aussiedude and several others, I have had great fun reading your exploits and going back and forth with you about this whole cold approach malarkey.
I am also calling you all out to ask you guys if you also feel the way I do about what has been going on on this forum of late and shift that I have noticed.
Because if not, then I know its just me. And if its just me then I need to probably part ways with this forum for a while and do an internal audit.
But honestly these days just reading the new and most replied to posts depletes me of energy due to the negativity, complaining and venting that is going on in each of them.
Makes me wonder if I am on a pickup forum or some blackpill/redpill whatever venting forum.
Pickup and seduction as I see it is a place for outliers who refuse to abide by the limitations that society and the masses places on us and who want to rebel against that and get success against the odds and enjoy results that are mostly out of the reach of common men.
Its a sad thing to see that in this niche place where we take pride in winning against all odds regardless of the hand we are dealt in life and making the best use of our circumstances. Nowadays it seems to have turned into a breeding ground for validation of limiting beliefs, negativity and complaining.
Looking to hear your thoughts and hoping that this forum does not end up on the trajectory I feel its heading towards and instead can continue to remain the last bastion of guys who are not content with being normal and instead are inspiring each other to grow and improve and get the results they desire.
Sorry to revisit this topic again. But is it just me or does anyone else feel this way too?
Recently, I think the forum is taking a turn for the worse. You have some posters who are starting threads and posting numerous messages per day which is filled with negativity, venting, doom and gloom, complaining, reinforcing and trying to impose and get justifications for their limiting beliefs.
As I see it many of them have problems that are outside the scope of seduction and probably need theraputic intervention. They seem to lack even the most basic social awareness and have no clue about how they are coming across.
The experienced and senior members have over and over again on many threads given them advice and encouragement but all they seem to do is double down on their beliefs and reinforce them with every new experience they have.
I know you always had people like this on forums but I feel the ratio is beginning to tilt. There are 9 low value, venting type posts to 1 good quality post.
In fact guys who actually post something from the field hardly get any engagement. They have 1 or 2 replies whereas guys posting about how hard it is for them, how bad their night was, how brutal it is out there etc get pages and pages of low quality back and forth arguments.
This forum had great stuff even like a year ago. I believe it really is the last truly seduction oriented active forum out there. But I see the same redpill, negativity, black pill colored stuff taking over here as it has already transpired on YT and other platforms.
Seriously nowadays you hardly see an inspiring post here and skimming through the new posts section is filled with venting and complaining type posts.
I just wanted to write this here because I think this forum has given me a lot and has helped me immensely on my cold approach journey over the last 2 years. I am very grateful for that and in turn I have tried to give back as much value as I can from my own experiences to help people on here who genuinely were looking for help and taking action with a positive attitude.
Special thanks go out to @Skills @Chase @Atlas IV @alexlaguma @DoWhatWorks @topcat @Stark (who seems to have disappeared) @Warped Mindless @Will_V @James D and some others I might have forgotten to mention. You guys have provided massive value and inspired me.
Also to the genuine action takers like @gameboy @ChrisXKiss @bkw @barneystin @Aussiedude and several others, I have had great fun reading your exploits and going back and forth with you about this whole cold approach malarkey.
I am also calling you all out to ask you guys if you also feel the way I do about what has been going on on this forum of late and shift that I have noticed.
Because if not, then I know its just me. And if its just me then I need to probably part ways with this forum for a while and do an internal audit.
But honestly these days just reading the new and most replied to posts depletes me of energy due to the negativity, complaining and venting that is going on in each of them.
Makes me wonder if I am on a pickup forum or some blackpill/redpill whatever venting forum.
Pickup and seduction as I see it is a place for outliers who refuse to abide by the limitations that society and the masses places on us and who want to rebel against that and get success against the odds and enjoy results that are mostly out of the reach of common men.
Its a sad thing to see that in this niche place where we take pride in winning against all odds regardless of the hand we are dealt in life and making the best use of our circumstances. Nowadays it seems to have turned into a breeding ground for validation of limiting beliefs, negativity and complaining.
Looking to hear your thoughts and hoping that this forum does not end up on the trajectory I feel its heading towards and instead can continue to remain the last bastion of guys who are not content with being normal and instead are inspiring each other to grow and improve and get the results they desire.
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Agreed. They shouldn’t be here. London isn’t a particularly difficult place to game in, they are just inept. I vote to ban them both.Hey guys,
Sorry to revisit this topic again. But is it just me or does anyone else feel this way too?
Recently, I think the forum is taking a turn for the worse. You have some posters who are starting threads and posting numerous messages per day which is filled with negativity, venting, doom and gloom, complaining, reinforcing and trying to impose and get justifications for their limiting beliefs.
As I see it many of them have problems that are outside the scope of seduction and probably need theraputic intervention. They seem to lack even the most basic social awareness and have no clue about how they are coming across.
The experienced and senior members have over and over again on many threads given them advice and encouragement but all they seem to do is double down on their beliefs and reinforce them with every new experience they have.
I know you always had people like this on forums but I feel the ratio is beginning to tilt. There are 9 low value, venting type posts to 1 good quality post.
In fact guys who actually post something from the field hardly get any engagement. They have 1 or 2 replies whereas guys posting about how hard it is for them, how bad their night was, how brutal it is out there etc get pages and pages of low quality back and forth arguments.
This forum had great stuff even like a year ago. I believe it really is the last truly seduction oriented active forum out there. But I see the same redpill, negativity, black pill colored stuff taking over here as it has already transpired on YT and other platforms.
Seriously nowadays you hardly see an inspiring post here and skimming through the new posts section is filled with venting and complaining type posts.
I just wanted to write this here because I think this forum has given me a lot and has helped me immensely on my cold approach journey over the last 2 years. I am very grateful for that and in turn I have tried to give back as much value as I can from my own experiences to help people on here who genuinely were looking for help and taking action with a positive attitude.
Special thanks go out to @Skills @Chase @Atlas IV @alexlaguma @DoWhatWorks @topcat @Stark (who seems to have disappeared) @Warped Mindless @Will_V @James D and some others I might have forgotten to mention. You guys have provided massive value and inspired me.
Also to the genuine action takers like @gameboy @ChrisXKiss @bkw @barneystin @Aussiedude and several others, I have had great fun reading your exploits and going back and forth with you about this whole cold approach malarkey.
I am also calling you all out to ask you guys if you also feel the way I do about what has been going on on this forum of late and shift that I have noticed.
Because if not, then I know its just me. And if its just me then I need to probably part ways with this forum for a while and do an internal audit.
But honestly these days just reading the new and most replied to posts depletes me of energy due to the negativity, complaining and venting that is going on in each of them.
Makes me wonder if I am on a pickup forum or some blackpill/redpill whatever venting forum.
Pickup and seduction as I see it is a place for outliers who refuse to abide by the limitations that society and the masses places on us and who want to rebel against that and get success against the odds and enjoy results that are mostly out of the reach of common men.
Its a sad thing to see that in this niche place where we take pride in winning against all odds regardless of the hand we are dealt in life and making the best use of our circumstances. Nowadays it seems to have turned into a breeding ground for validation of limiting beliefs, negativity and complaining.
Looking to hear your thoughts and hoping that this forum does not end up on the trajectory I feel its heading towards and instead can continue to remain the last bastion of guys who are not content with being normal and instead are inspiring each other to grow and improve and get the results they desire.
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I agree generally.Hey guys,
Sorry to revisit this topic again. But is it just me or does anyone else feel this way too?
Recently, I think the forum is taking a turn for the worse. You have some posters who are starting threads and posting numerous messages per day which is filled with negativity, venting, doom and gloom, complaining, reinforcing and trying to impose and get justifications for their limiting beliefs.
As I see it many of them have problems that are outside the scope of seduction and probably need theraputic intervention. They seem to lack even the most basic social awareness and have no clue about how they are coming across.
The experienced and senior members have over and over again on many threads given them advice and encouragement but all they seem to do is double down on their beliefs and reinforce them with every new experience they have.
I know you always had people like this on forums but I feel the ratio is beginning to tilt. There are 9 low value, venting type posts to 1 good quality post.
In fact guys who actually post something from the field hardly get any engagement. They have 1 or 2 replies whereas guys posting about how hard it is for them, how bad their night was, how brutal it is out there etc get pages and pages of low quality back and forth arguments.
This forum had great stuff even like a year ago. I believe it really is the last truly seduction oriented active forum out there. But I see the same redpill, negativity, black pill colored stuff taking over here as it has already transpired on YT and other platforms.
Seriously nowadays you hardly see an inspiring post here and skimming through the new posts section is filled with venting and complaining type posts.
I just wanted to write this here because I think this forum has given me a lot and has helped me immensely on my cold approach journey over the last 2 years. I am very grateful for that and in turn I have tried to give back as much value as I can from my own experiences to help people on here who genuinely were looking for help and taking action with a positive attitude.
Special thanks go out to @Skills @Chase @Atlas IV @alexlaguma @DoWhatWorks @topcat @Stark (who seems to have disappeared) @Warped Mindless @Will_V @James D and some others I might have forgotten to mention. You guys have provided massive value and inspired me.
Also to the genuine action takers like @gameboy @ChrisXKiss @bkw @barneystin @Aussiedude and several others, I have had great fun reading your exploits and going back and forth with you about this whole cold approach malarkey.
I am also calling you all out to ask you guys if you also feel the way I do about what has been going on on this forum of late and shift that I have noticed.
Because if not, then I know its just me. And if its just me then I need to probably part ways with this forum for a while and do an internal audit.
But honestly these days just reading the new and most replied to posts depletes me of energy due to the negativity, complaining and venting that is going on in each of them.
Makes me wonder if I am on a pickup forum or some blackpill/redpill whatever venting forum.
Pickup and seduction as I see it is a place for outliers who refuse to abide by the limitations that society and the masses places on us and who want to rebel against that and get success against the odds and enjoy results that are mostly out of the reach of common men.
Its a sad thing to see that in this niche place where we take pride in winning against all odds regardless of the hand we are dealt in life and making the best use of our circumstances. Nowadays it seems to have turned into a breeding ground for validation of limiting beliefs, negativity and complaining.
Looking to hear your thoughts and hoping that this forum does not end up on the trajectory I feel its heading towards and instead can continue to remain the last bastion of guys who are not content with being normal and instead are inspiring each other to grow and improve and get the results they desire.
I would say that some responses to these “limiting beliefs” posts by more experienced members are useful. When you go through a period when things are not working you can start doubting what is even possible to achieve.
Sometimes I read answers to these posts to get a clear picture of where I could get, how my mindset should be if I want to get there, and what kind of action I should take.
The problem starts when the same posters repeat the same topic all the time, discard all types of advice and make the whole discussion feel pointless.
It’s not a: “Hey guys, according to my experience it’s so difficult to get younger girls, is that true for you too? And what I could do to change that?”
It’s a: “Hey guys, getting younger girls is crazy difficult, right? Yeah sure for you who dresses like a billionaire and you who is extremely good looking, and you who is a master pua it is easy but for the rest of us it is impossible”
You can’t even discuss with that, which is why after two three responses to all these threads I stopped bothering.
They need a different kind of help as you describe, and unless they become open to change there isn’t much we can do.
And even if you are like that, just go and write down your thoughts in your journal.
I’ve had bad periods too so I can understand it, but I don’t go around venting in the forum about it again and again, at the minimum out of respect to the other members’ experience.
Long story short it does get tiring, I’d prefer you not to leave since I’ve also enjoyed our interactions, and I ‘d at least recommend some sort of restrictions regarding where certain people could post and what kind of threads they could create.
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there are many low momentum guys that eventually clicks.... There are many guys some that you even mention that were at one point low momentum and turn it around... You will always have cases like that in the community... You eventually may fall in low momentum yourself...Hey guys,
Sorry to revisit this topic again. But is it just me or does anyone else feel this way too?
Recently, I think the forum is taking a turn for the worse. You have some posters who are starting threads and posting numerous messages per day which is filled with negativity, venting, doom and gloom, complaining, reinforcing and trying to impose and get justifications for their limiting beliefs.
As I see it many of them have problems that are outside the scope of seduction and probably need theraputic intervention. They seem to lack even the most basic social awareness and have no clue about how they are coming across.
The experienced and senior members have over and over again on many threads given them advice and encouragement but all they seem to do is double down on their beliefs and reinforce them with every new experience they have.
I know you always had people like this on forums but I feel the ratio is beginning to tilt. There are 9 low value, venting type posts to 1 good quality post.
In fact guys who actually post something from the field hardly get any engagement. They have 1 or 2 replies whereas guys posting about how hard it is for them, how bad their night was, how brutal it is out there etc get pages and pages of low quality back and forth arguments.
This forum had great stuff even like a year ago. I believe it really is the last truly seduction oriented active forum out there. But I see the same redpill, negativity, black pill colored stuff taking over here as it has already transpired on YT and other platforms.
Seriously nowadays you hardly see an inspiring post here and skimming through the new posts section is filled with venting and complaining type posts.
I just wanted to write this here because I think this forum has given me a lot and has helped me immensely on my cold approach journey over the last 2 years. I am very grateful for that and in turn I have tried to give back as much value as I can from my own experiences to help people on here who genuinely were looking for help and taking action with a positive attitude.
Special thanks go out to @Skills @Chase @Atlas IV @alexlaguma @DoWhatWorks @topcat @Stark (who seems to have disappeared) @Warped Mindless @Will_V @James D and some others I might have forgotten to mention. You guys have provided massive value and inspired me.
Also to the genuine action takers like @gameboy @ChrisXKiss @bkw @barneystin @Aussiedude and several others, I have had great fun reading your exploits and going back and forth with you about this whole cold approach malarkey.
I am also calling you all out to ask you guys if you also feel the way I do about what has been going on on this forum of late and shift that I have noticed.
Because if not, then I know its just me. And if its just me then I need to probably part ways with this forum for a while and do an internal audit.
But honestly these days just reading the new and most replied to posts depletes me of energy due to the negativity, complaining and venting that is going on in each of them.
Makes me wonder if I am on a pickup forum or some blackpill/redpill whatever venting forum.
Pickup and seduction as I see it is a place for outliers who refuse to abide by the limitations that society and the masses places on us and who want to rebel against that and get success against the odds and enjoy results that are mostly out of the reach of common men.
Its a sad thing to see that in this niche place where we take pride in winning against all odds regardless of the hand we are dealt in life and making the best use of our circumstances. Nowadays it seems to have turned into a breeding ground for validation of limiting beliefs, negativity and complaining.
Looking to hear your thoughts and hoping that this forum does not end up on the trajectory I feel its heading towards and instead can continue to remain the last bastion of guys who are not content with being normal and instead are inspiring each other to grow and improve and get the results they desire.
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Surely you can see the difference between simple low momentum, and the pathetic self pity/doom-loop the members in question have been engaging in?
I’ve been in low momentum, I arguably am now. When you’re in low momentum do you behave as they do? and would it be excusable if you did?
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Yeah, the forum has repeatedly gone through stretches over the years where skilled guys get less active and complainers take over and sink the mood. It seems to have been sinking into another one of those low periods.
Some cleanup is probably in order.
To be clear, we are talking about @average_daygamer and @KnownUniverse, that correct?
We might also potentially include @HeartOfChaos in their ranks. Not coincidentally, it seems like these members all sync up with each other and amplify each other's dubiousness and malaise.
It seems like even with the rank restrictions, it is not enough to keep these members from weighing the Boards down with their own impediments, limiting beliefs, and doom & gloom.
Personally, I've also had just about enough of the venting and complaining. It's a real boner killer.
Anyone struggling has my sympathy, but there are only so many times we can remind guys to mind the Boards Etiquette.
Are there others besides these three who are generating all this misery?
Is it just @average_daygamer and @KnownUniverse who have worn out their welcomes here, or are we including @HeartOfChaos there too?
Any dissenters?
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
Some cleanup is probably in order.
To be clear, we are talking about @average_daygamer and @KnownUniverse, that correct?
We might also potentially include @HeartOfChaos in their ranks. Not coincidentally, it seems like these members all sync up with each other and amplify each other's dubiousness and malaise.
It seems like even with the rank restrictions, it is not enough to keep these members from weighing the Boards down with their own impediments, limiting beliefs, and doom & gloom.
Personally, I've also had just about enough of the venting and complaining. It's a real boner killer.
Anyone struggling has my sympathy, but there are only so many times we can remind guys to mind the Boards Etiquette.
Are there others besides these three who are generating all this misery?
Is it just @average_daygamer and @KnownUniverse who have worn out their welcomes here, or are we including @HeartOfChaos there too?
Any dissenters?
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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average_daygamer and heartofchaos are the ones at top of mind. knownuniverse hadnt hit my radar as yet.
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I am sorry this has nothing to do with being low momentum. I spent an entire year getting over AA starting with just asking for directions to slowly transitioning over to direct. In that entire year of regular action taking I got 1 date.
1 date for an entire year!!! Nothing more!
So you are saying that should have naturally led me to posting over and over again telling people my sob story and complaining and moaning. And not only that but being rude to the very people who are trying to help you and convincing them that in fact I am right and they are wrong???
I am sorry you are excusing inexcusable behavior by calling it low momentum. It has nothing to do with their momentum they have a deeper problem that cannot be solved on a seduction board.
Guy has 5 dates in 2 weeks and you call that low momentum? Come on give me a break.
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Okay at least now I know I am not the only one feeling like this.
Yes @average_daygamer has been long term guilty of this. @HeartOfChaos joins in and is a big time downer.
Not sure about @KnownUniverse though I see him engaging with them a lot. I have not really read too many of his posts to have an opinion.