The articles he posted were about self defeating black guys who think they can’t get white girls. Does not relate to me. I’m not some low status loser. My income is decent. I’m not rich. I act though so some people know me. I’m not a celebrity by any means though. But yeah I get in good clubs and have cool friends. I know what status is.
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The articles he posted were about self defeating black guys who think they can’t get white girls. Does not relate to me. I’m not some low status loser. My income is decent. I’m not rich. I act though so some people know me. I’m not a celebrity by any means though. But yeah I get in good clubs and have cool friends. I know what status is.
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So first you complain about race, then you get some articles written by guys of your race and, but now we have implied that you are a "low status loser"? You come of as as troll right now. If you are not, please stop complaining.
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@Velasco,
Oh sure. Although I consider random chance a large element of every seduction.
Persistence, as @Bacchus notes, is a pretty advanced skill. I did not learn it until about 3.5 years into the game, for my part (in anything other than a.) following up with girls I liked who were ghosting me, or b.) LMR. Both those I was blasting through with persistence as a newbie).
Most guys who do persistence are sloppy horny/aggressive guys who just repeat their overtures with "Aw, come on!" and "It'll be fun!" and other statements that don't work.
But you can persist your way to compliance with non-compliant girls.
Most are not as exhausting as that girl was. IME, if you plow through compliance hard once with a girl, so long as she feels rewarded after and you build whatever connection/arousal/additional investment she needs, getting her to do almost anything else is usually straightforward. (sometimes you will plow through a compliance wall, things go well, then when it's time for the pull or time to escalate to sex you hit another compliance wall, at which point the same tactics from earlier of "just plow through it" don't work because she's seen that already now, and you need to do something different. Other times, once you plow through a compliance wall, you just never hit another high wall for anything again, right up to when you bed her)
Time and a place.
That'd usually be my go-to option as well. I had a special reason to want to pick up from that one specific club, and in particular from a VIP table.
But, times and places
@Bacchus,
Yeah, precisely.
It's a hard to teach persistence over the web. The correct way of doing it requires a lot of thinking on your feet, a lot of facial and nonverbal nuance, and correct use of voice tones.
Just telling guys "Just hang in there! Persist!" is going to end you up in RSD "plow" territory (which is not where you want to end up).
@Rain,
In addition to what @Carousel said -- "conceivably could" does not mean "can right now with your given skill set, fundamentals, and mental frame."
I first started in pickup when I was hung up on a girl from high school, then wised up one day and said, "I am never going to get that girl until I am better with girls in general. So I'd better get to sharpening my approach with women anywhere I can meet them."
By the time I reached a point where I probably could've gotten that girl, had I reconnected with her somehow (which might've been hard, seeing as I was bouncing all over the place), I no longer wanted to... as discussed in this article.
@BigPapa,
Sure, I have had lays like that too. Girl is dodging you, you keep in contact with her, set up a time to meet, eventually get her out, still getting resistance, figure out what the source is, break through it, get the lay.
Of course.
The issue we were having was guys pressing senior members to admit to some kind of green-light-red-light thing, rather than just saying that reasonably: "Hey, you know how there is this certain amount of luck in which girls you get with, and you can never really get away from that? I mean, there is no way to just completely remove luck from the equation?"
There is no argument from anyone if it is simply framed like that.
It is the hounding and demanding that guys accept this specific traffic lights method that was the cause of this dust-up.
A great many wars are fought over stupid semantics.
Hopefully now that we will not be arguing over traffic lights, we can avoid any such flareups for a while
@Oh Pry,
I have repeatedly had to step in with some of your past arguments.
I distinctly remember telling you to cool off flame warring with more experienced members (such as @Estate... remember him?), years ago.
I created a post specifically for you called "The Guide to Getting Hot Girls of Any Type" to handle your blonde bombshell posts (yours and @Altair's), and have thread merged so many threads you've started into that guide to quarantine posts of that sort to that discussion that it has more pages in it than any other thread on the Boards, by far.
I have probably spent more time dealing with and deliberating over how to handle "Oh Pry problems" than any other guy who has been on this forum.
I am glad you are doing better now, and in many ways you have improved.
I will say -- much as I have been rooting for you and wanting you to succeed -- there were many times I said "For the good of the Boards, not to mention my own sanity, we must ban Oh Pry" and Franco interceded with me to keep you on here.
Just don't want you looking back with glasses that are too rose-colored
This is true, and was a benefit for you.
However, it drove off various skilled guys, including Estate, @Landlord (IIRC), and some others who complained to me that the constant whining was making the place intolerable for guys who were actually out in the field and focused on results.
I still miss the contributions those guys made. We felt their loss.
I am doing my best to manage the ongoing merger of cultures here.
We are trying to keep things as open-minded and civil as possible.
But the amount of whining and trolling and flame warring we had on the Boards in the past was too high, largely due to me being absent a lot and Franco being more on the lenient side.
As I've said repeatedly to you in the past, there are many places on the web you can go to to whine and complain... but we do not want this place to be one of them.
@Tayo,
Good to see you, man.
It'll settle down.
Check back in a few months.
Things are especially high strung with everyone in the Western world locked down in isolation.
People are going stir crazy right now.
@Protean,
Good post.
I would add -- a lot of guys are looking at this and saying "Oh no! The forum is changing!"
Meanwhile they are apparently forgetting all the other times I have had to come on here and deal with rising tides of bad behavior like this.
Just from my memory, we had:
THE MAIN THEME HERE IS THIS: I do not want to have to do this.
If you notice in my writing, I try to deliberately not choose sides in issues.
I have my own opinions, of course. Often I do not share them. If I told you everything I think about relationships, for instance... well let's just say it would be outside your reality, unless you are one of the very advanced guys here, or you are very historically well read (and you do not think purely from the paradigm of your specific home culture). Likewise with pickup. And many things.
But I refrain from that, because the goal is to create a resource that is equally usable to all, regardless their exact persuasion.
And my opinions are not especially relevant. They are just my opinions. Useful for how I live my life. Your life will be governed by your opinions.
That is because different guys have very different goals and wants, and I am not interested in being that asshole who tries to force his preferences onto other guys. I think that is neither effective, nor desirable.
HOWEVER... when we have guys that ARE doing that... whether they are trying to force anti-monogamy on people, or "looks matter above all else", or "gym matters above all else", or "this stuff doesn't work", or "whining because my issue is so sad and everyone needs to hear about it all the time", or "can't get the red girls", or whatever it is -- if it is being forced on other people, that is when I will intervene, and shut the discussion down.
That is when I step in with the "shut it down" stuff.
When guys are heavily pushing some idea onto other members.
If guys were being dicks about pushing a GC method as some kind of idiot dogma, I would do that too.
Like if people started talking about this cool new verbal tactic, and we had guys jumping on every post like that to say "No dude, that doesn't work, you have to deep dive" and it got to the point where it was annoying people, I would jump in and shut that down too ("Deep diving is great but there are obviously other conversation tactics that work -- so stop spamming it on other guys' threads", etc.).
Hope this is clear.
When mods step in like this, we are working to preserve the Boards from guys spamming a certain view or issue all over the place, in places where that is unwelcome.
@Ben22,
See my post just above to @Protean.
This is just part and parcel of running a forum with a lot of different people.
Once every year or two you have to get on and shut down some insurgency that threatens to shake the place down.
Often you can do it without booting the guys responsible -- Oh Pry is still here; DrexelScott was still here for a long time after (before he got religion).
Sometimes though, yeah, we do need to boot.
Chase
Oh sure. Although I consider random chance a large element of every seduction.
Persistence, as @Bacchus notes, is a pretty advanced skill. I did not learn it until about 3.5 years into the game, for my part (in anything other than a.) following up with girls I liked who were ghosting me, or b.) LMR. Both those I was blasting through with persistence as a newbie).
Most guys who do persistence are sloppy horny/aggressive guys who just repeat their overtures with "Aw, come on!" and "It'll be fun!" and other statements that don't work.
But you can persist your way to compliance with non-compliant girls.
Most are not as exhausting as that girl was. IME, if you plow through compliance hard once with a girl, so long as she feels rewarded after and you build whatever connection/arousal/additional investment she needs, getting her to do almost anything else is usually straightforward. (sometimes you will plow through a compliance wall, things go well, then when it's time for the pull or time to escalate to sex you hit another compliance wall, at which point the same tactics from earlier of "just plow through it" don't work because she's seen that already now, and you need to do something different. Other times, once you plow through a compliance wall, you just never hit another high wall for anything again, right up to when you bed her)
For sure. I'm gonna stop saying you cant SNL reds from now on. If you wanna go for it, hey bro more power to you lol. Cause me personally, I wouldve been outta there and in a cab to another bar, the second you noticed the club had nothing better to offer besides this red. I ain't wasting my night haha
Time and a place.
That'd usually be my go-to option as well. I had a special reason to want to pick up from that one specific club, and in particular from a VIP table.
But, times and places
@Bacchus,
Yeah, precisely.
It's a hard to teach persistence over the web. The correct way of doing it requires a lot of thinking on your feet, a lot of facial and nonverbal nuance, and correct use of voice tones.
Just telling guys "Just hang in there! Persist!" is going to end you up in RSD "plow" territory (which is not where you want to end up).
@Rain,
In addition to what @Carousel said -- "conceivably could" does not mean "can right now with your given skill set, fundamentals, and mental frame."
I first started in pickup when I was hung up on a girl from high school, then wised up one day and said, "I am never going to get that girl until I am better with girls in general. So I'd better get to sharpening my approach with women anywhere I can meet them."
By the time I reached a point where I probably could've gotten that girl, had I reconnected with her somehow (which might've been hard, seeing as I was bouncing all over the place), I no longer wanted to... as discussed in this article.
@BigPapa,
Sure, I have had lays like that too. Girl is dodging you, you keep in contact with her, set up a time to meet, eventually get her out, still getting resistance, figure out what the source is, break through it, get the lay.
Of course.
The issue we were having was guys pressing senior members to admit to some kind of green-light-red-light thing, rather than just saying that reasonably: "Hey, you know how there is this certain amount of luck in which girls you get with, and you can never really get away from that? I mean, there is no way to just completely remove luck from the equation?"
There is no argument from anyone if it is simply framed like that.
It is the hounding and demanding that guys accept this specific traffic lights method that was the cause of this dust-up.
more or less all this drama basically was sparked from a semantic misunderstanding , rather than people actually meaning that flipping a red is possible or not
A great many wars are fought over stupid semantics.
Hopefully now that we will not be arguing over traffic lights, we can avoid any such flareups for a while
@Oh Pry,
I have repeatedly had to step in with some of your past arguments.
I distinctly remember telling you to cool off flame warring with more experienced members (such as @Estate... remember him?), years ago.
I created a post specifically for you called "The Guide to Getting Hot Girls of Any Type" to handle your blonde bombshell posts (yours and @Altair's), and have thread merged so many threads you've started into that guide to quarantine posts of that sort to that discussion that it has more pages in it than any other thread on the Boards, by far.
I have probably spent more time dealing with and deliberating over how to handle "Oh Pry problems" than any other guy who has been on this forum.
I am glad you are doing better now, and in many ways you have improved.
I will say -- much as I have been rooting for you and wanting you to succeed -- there were many times I said "For the good of the Boards, not to mention my own sanity, we must ban Oh Pry" and Franco interceded with me to keep you on here.
Just don't want you looking back with glasses that are too rose-colored
This is true, and was a benefit for you.
However, it drove off various skilled guys, including Estate, @Landlord (IIRC), and some others who complained to me that the constant whining was making the place intolerable for guys who were actually out in the field and focused on results.
I still miss the contributions those guys made. We felt their loss.
I am doing my best to manage the ongoing merger of cultures here.
We are trying to keep things as open-minded and civil as possible.
But the amount of whining and trolling and flame warring we had on the Boards in the past was too high, largely due to me being absent a lot and Franco being more on the lenient side.
As I've said repeatedly to you in the past, there are many places on the web you can go to to whine and complain... but we do not want this place to be one of them.
@Tayo,
Good to see you, man.
It'll settle down.
Check back in a few months.
Things are especially high strung with everyone in the Western world locked down in isolation.
People are going stir crazy right now.
@Protean,
Good post.
I would add -- a lot of guys are looking at this and saying "Oh no! The forum is changing!"
Meanwhile they are apparently forgetting all the other times I have had to come on here and deal with rising tides of bad behavior like this.
Just from my memory, we had:
- @Ryan, the superfan who turned into a super hater and doubter, spreading hate and doubt all over the Boards and attracting his own following of newbies
- A rash of victim mentality guys in 2014 making everyone feel miserable, to the point I had to create a Etiquette Sticky and message guys individually to knock it off or we'd boot them off
- The "monogamy doesn't work!" campaign, led by Tribal Elder DrexelScott (who is, ironically, now a born-again Christian, in search of a monogamous wife), where any time a newbie would make an account to ask for help with his relationship, Drexel and the other anti-monogamy advocates would pop onto his post to tell him "Monogamy doesn't work! Turn it into an oLTR and start banging other broads!" I had to write my pro-monogamy post (which I never wanted to do) and privately warn Drexel and the other guys to stop doing that. I also had to pull an article of Drexel's out of the article queue for the GC main site that basically completely trashed monogamy to bits
- The "brown guys gang" of IIRC 4 Indian guys and 1 Asian guy who were posting non-stop stuff about how blonde girls were so stuck up and did not want them (and we put up WAYYY too long with that... I wrote so many posts trying to help those guys... we lost a lot of senior members in annoyance because I took so long to boot those guys off... when I finally did everyone was telling me "Finally. That should've happened a year ago" -- I learned to not be so slow in responding to moderator issues from that, my slowness there really hurt the Boards)
- That guy who came on arguing that he'd been a Girls Chase reader for 3 years and never got the results he wanted, then went and got jacked and finally got his bleached blonde gym bunny, and that showed everything we said was wrong. And then he posted a report of one of his lays and it was him doing text book GC stuff (chock full of deep dives, chase frames, etc.), and he was also ignoring that I have repeatedly said "if you want gym bunnies, you should probably be lifting weights in the gym." Then I had to personally argue with him, and he kept moving the goal posts to make it sound like we were somehow wrong (I am still not sure how) until he had annoyed me and everyone else and we banned him
THE MAIN THEME HERE IS THIS: I do not want to have to do this.
If you notice in my writing, I try to deliberately not choose sides in issues.
I have my own opinions, of course. Often I do not share them. If I told you everything I think about relationships, for instance... well let's just say it would be outside your reality, unless you are one of the very advanced guys here, or you are very historically well read (and you do not think purely from the paradigm of your specific home culture). Likewise with pickup. And many things.
But I refrain from that, because the goal is to create a resource that is equally usable to all, regardless their exact persuasion.
And my opinions are not especially relevant. They are just my opinions. Useful for how I live my life. Your life will be governed by your opinions.
That is because different guys have very different goals and wants, and I am not interested in being that asshole who tries to force his preferences onto other guys. I think that is neither effective, nor desirable.
HOWEVER... when we have guys that ARE doing that... whether they are trying to force anti-monogamy on people, or "looks matter above all else", or "gym matters above all else", or "this stuff doesn't work", or "whining because my issue is so sad and everyone needs to hear about it all the time", or "can't get the red girls", or whatever it is -- if it is being forced on other people, that is when I will intervene, and shut the discussion down.
That is when I step in with the "shut it down" stuff.
When guys are heavily pushing some idea onto other members.
If guys were being dicks about pushing a GC method as some kind of idiot dogma, I would do that too.
Like if people started talking about this cool new verbal tactic, and we had guys jumping on every post like that to say "No dude, that doesn't work, you have to deep dive" and it got to the point where it was annoying people, I would jump in and shut that down too ("Deep diving is great but there are obviously other conversation tactics that work -- so stop spamming it on other guys' threads", etc.).
Hope this is clear.
When mods step in like this, we are working to preserve the Boards from guys spamming a certain view or issue all over the place, in places where that is unwelcome.
@Ben22,
See my post just above to @Protean.
This is just part and parcel of running a forum with a lot of different people.
Once every year or two you have to get on and shut down some insurgency that threatens to shake the place down.
Often you can do it without booting the guys responsible -- Oh Pry is still here; DrexelScott was still here for a long time after (before he got religion).
Sometimes though, yeah, we do need to boot.
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@Chase
Would you be able to point the curious mind into a particular direction? Anything specific to read if you don't feel like anything sharing your own opinions?
Also, didn't fully realize how difficult it is to keep a community forum going. Thanks to you guys who makes it work!
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Yeah, I definitely had a lot of imperfections and got into it in the past, kinda miss Estate though. It's a fine line you walk when helping people, do you lean more on the tolerant side or do you lean more on the strict and stern side. If you lean too tolerant, you end up like a PUAHate, a shitshow of mentally evil people who take advantage of the platform and before you know it, you're dealing with an Eliot Rodger. If you lean too strict, you might as well be playing a game of layups, helping out guys who really need and adjustment here and there.
While I appreciate the help in a big way, believe me it's why I contribute money to this site, I still do believe that the past created a more lenient culture where even if the guys argued it was more of a men being men than a political arena of one guy trying to get the other guy out.
The one thing that kept me around though is unlike a lot of newer guys, I took action and actually was here to get laid. Sure, I had more hangups and such but here I am. All about action.
As for the blonde bombshells discussion, haha, I got over my blonde hurdle a long long long while ago (Latinas are the issue now) yet I remember a post that was made about it on the site. Well, just so happens, it shed a new light on game.
Perhaps the dorky tactics that work on a geeky girl or foreign girl might not work on the hot blonde, it emphasized that and created a new school of thought.
This forum and your community have contributed more to my growth than, well, just about anything. I don't get to 100+ lays without your guidance and investment.
Now I would be interested to see how the integration of cultures pans out.
While I appreciate the help in a big way, believe me it's why I contribute money to this site, I still do believe that the past created a more lenient culture where even if the guys argued it was more of a men being men than a political arena of one guy trying to get the other guy out.
The one thing that kept me around though is unlike a lot of newer guys, I took action and actually was here to get laid. Sure, I had more hangups and such but here I am. All about action.
As for the blonde bombshells discussion, haha, I got over my blonde hurdle a long long long while ago (Latinas are the issue now) yet I remember a post that was made about it on the site. Well, just so happens, it shed a new light on game.
Perhaps the dorky tactics that work on a geeky girl or foreign girl might not work on the hot blonde, it emphasized that and created a new school of thought.
This forum and your community have contributed more to my growth than, well, just about anything. I don't get to 100+ lays without your guidance and investment.
Now I would be interested to see how the integration of cultures pans out.
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I didn’t complain about race. I said people have different experiences.
@Carousel one of the articles was written by chase amante. That doesn’t sound like black names to me. Did you read anything that you commented on?
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This is something I thought about when I failed to make certain 'gen 2 verbal's work for me in the past (on non 'green' girls), and the girls seemed to think I was nuts or a bit 'cringe' lol
I think the style of game you run and your verbals etc depend on location and stuff. Trying to run game like some of these guys do on the young 'chav' girls who I tend to meet who wouldn't even understand half the words in the advanced guys FR's is an uphill battle lol
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Teevster posted two articles about race if guys are worried that their race will stunt or limit their growth with girls and then linked 3 guys who are black who are proficient with women who have different viewpoints and experiences with women to be used as references for anyone to draw inspiration from who doubts that black guys can get really good with girls.It sounds like whatever someone on here tells you just comes in one ear and out the other.
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I think if something isn’t working for you then you should drop it. Unless you’re willing to dedicate your life to pick up who cares about any sort of mastery. Let’s get better with girls. I don’t have the time to go out four nights a week and study in between. What’s the objective? To be a pickup master? The pickup industry isn’t exactly booming.
I keep my scope narrow in focus. I have good eye contact, i lead, I’m not needy, I’m detached from outcome, and have an abundance mentality regarding women. From what I’ve gathered this is the basics of pickup. I’m open to learning more, specifically regarding female psychology. But if something is too advanced I don’t want to put in the hours. The results are good with the basics. For the advanced stuff I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze.
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I said “people have different experiences based on a lot of variables.” Race is one example. Another example would be a man with one arm. And if someone is trying to tell me that isn’t true it is going to go in one ear and out the other.
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@Rakkum,
As far as reading materials directly on these subjects, some combination of good popular research-based books like The Red Queen and The Selfish Gene are a good start, although there is no substitute for reading the research papers directly (which these books are based upon). That is probably a fairly tall order for most folks though.
There are probably also many very good books on the subject within the seduction space, but it's been so long since I read through those books I don't remember what contributed which bits and pieces. The Fast Seduction archives are one very good place to start. Look at Lifeguard, A2daMIR to change how you think about pickup; Zan for both pickup and relationships with women. Many other very skilled guys there.
Reading about great historical figures in other epochs shapes and molds your priorities. Plutarch's Lives and Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire are treasures for this. Spending a lot of time outside your home country in other parts of the world with very different cultures, and very different perspectives on male-female relations, will also change the way you look at things.
Much of it though comes from direct experiences (especially when attempting things with women you think will never work, then discovering they do, and having that part of your conception shattered), as well as long conversations with other men with very outside-the-norm experiences with women.
@Oh Pry,
Well, I would just note we have been doing articles on specific types of girls, and wrinkles/nuances in getting them, going back to 2010.
And I specifically talked about little nuances that improved my prospects with the blonde bombshell types, while at the same time lowering my prospects with Asian girls, also back in 2010, discussing tweaks that improve your odds with one type of girl to the detriment of odds with another.
So this was not exactly a new thing for the site, when I wrote the bombshells article five years later.
I don't think I am the first to talk about different types of girls preferring certain approaches, stylistic adjustments, etc., either.
Certainly I can say when I trained as a student in this in early 2006 one of the things we covered was universal value (appeals to every woman) vs. specific value (appeals to certain kinds of women).
Not sure if this was covered elsewhere in the seduction community (the universal vs. specific value distinction was from a fairly niche school of seduction... the one Girls Chase descends from), but it is not so new.
Chase
As far as reading materials directly on these subjects, some combination of good popular research-based books like The Red Queen and The Selfish Gene are a good start, although there is no substitute for reading the research papers directly (which these books are based upon). That is probably a fairly tall order for most folks though.
There are probably also many very good books on the subject within the seduction space, but it's been so long since I read through those books I don't remember what contributed which bits and pieces. The Fast Seduction archives are one very good place to start. Look at Lifeguard, A2daMIR to change how you think about pickup; Zan for both pickup and relationships with women. Many other very skilled guys there.
Reading about great historical figures in other epochs shapes and molds your priorities. Plutarch's Lives and Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire are treasures for this. Spending a lot of time outside your home country in other parts of the world with very different cultures, and very different perspectives on male-female relations, will also change the way you look at things.
Much of it though comes from direct experiences (especially when attempting things with women you think will never work, then discovering they do, and having that part of your conception shattered), as well as long conversations with other men with very outside-the-norm experiences with women.
@Oh Pry,
Well, I would just note we have been doing articles on specific types of girls, and wrinkles/nuances in getting them, going back to 2010.
And I specifically talked about little nuances that improved my prospects with the blonde bombshell types, while at the same time lowering my prospects with Asian girls, also back in 2010, discussing tweaks that improve your odds with one type of girl to the detriment of odds with another.
So this was not exactly a new thing for the site, when I wrote the bombshells article five years later.
I don't think I am the first to talk about different types of girls preferring certain approaches, stylistic adjustments, etc., either.
Certainly I can say when I trained as a student in this in early 2006 one of the things we covered was universal value (appeals to every woman) vs. specific value (appeals to certain kinds of women).
Not sure if this was covered elsewhere in the seduction community (the universal vs. specific value distinction was from a fairly niche school of seduction... the one Girls Chase descends from), but it is not so new.
Chase
Yes. I mentioned to someone else on this forum that the style of game promoted here seemed to work better for me when I was travelling. Maybe it's the result of girls who are travelling tend to maybe be slightly more cultured, mature or want to meet people who appear deep (?), but that very 'wordy' poetic, verbose kind of style seemed to do fine for me and I got laid all but one night of my short trip in eastern Europe.
Or maybe they were all just girls who happened to be into me! I guess we all never really know lol
But yes, I need to adjust for the kinds of girls I meet in my town. I've ran some Ross Jefferies stuff on them that I memorised from his books (that were actually extremely similar to the stuff in some of your FR's) and it was a bit of a lead balloon.
Having said that, I intend to do more of it (with improved 'delivery'') just to confirm my suspicions! (baasically that a more RSDJeffy stlye game is more suited here) - Once lockdown is over, expect some new FR's
I didn’t compare them.
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Not sure what’s going on here but everything I say is misconstrued. I’ll use this article as an example of what my point is.
The author gives a specific strategy to deal with a bombshell. The same way she has different preferences on how to be treated, as the article states she will generally have preferences. So the way you would game her would depend on if you fit her type.
I would never read an article titled that normally. When you’re a successful attractive black man this is the easiest demographic of white girl to get with. In that way my experience dealing with one of these women is different than the experience of someone who would follow a guide.
Everyone has a different experience. Some basketball players are shooters. Some can’t hit a three but scores underneath. They both accomplish the same objective of scoring points but go about it different ways.
It’s called listing examples not making comparisons. I’m sorry no one familiarized me with your rules on listing.
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“Most men out there aren’t all that fascinating to women. They’re pushy, needy, and they talk about the most boring subjects. So, when you meet a guy who’s actually cool – someone intriguing, who you can feel a connection with – you get the feeling that this person understands you... then it’s pretty exciting.”
So you want me to talk like this? Nah fam that’s out. I didn’t see anything in that article that relates comparisons and lists. I used a list. I don’t understand anything you’re trying to convey. It sounds like you trying to bamboozle my ass though.
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Jonjames,
Hey man, you cannot set a frame of argument, then someone addresses it for you, then suddenly change it to something else without referring back to the original comment.
Let alone you forget be objective on a macro. Thus it looks retarded.
I'm writing this as pointers for everyone to recognize how manipulation, or in this case, how TROLLING works. I don't think you know what trolling is but that's another matter altogether
because I don't know what your intention is.
I can read the context you try to bring in but stop being an ass to nitpick on every single word for frame battles.
Take it from me. I done this here. It's a wrong place to start. It's a nice place.
And when you have some pointers to note, Just note and be objective.
why waste everybody's time?
Hey man, you cannot set a frame of argument, then someone addresses it for you, then suddenly change it to something else without referring back to the original comment.
Let alone you forget be objective on a macro. Thus it looks retarded.
I'm writing this as pointers for everyone to recognize how manipulation, or in this case, how TROLLING works. I don't think you know what trolling is but that's another matter altogether
because I don't know what your intention is.
I can read the context you try to bring in but stop being an ass to nitpick on every single word for frame battles.
Take it from me. I done this here. It's a wrong place to start. It's a nice place.
And when you have some pointers to note, Just note and be objective.
why waste everybody's time?
Jonjames,
Hey man, you cannot set a frame of argument, then someone addresses it for you, then suddenly change it to something else without referring back to the original comment.
Let alone you forget be objective on a macro. Thus it looks retarded.
I'm writing this as pointers for everyone to recognize how manipulation, or in this case, how TROLLING works. I don't think you know what trolling is but that's another matter altogether
because I don't know what your intention is.
I can read the context you try to bring in but stop being an ass to nitpick on every single word for frame battles.
Take it from me. I done this here. It's a wrong place to start. It's a nice place.
And when you have some pointers to note, Just note and be objective.
why waste everybody's time?
I don’t get what you’re saying. I know what trolling is. I said “everyone has a different experience” meaning not everyone will get the same response. 20 messages later and all I am getting is circular reasoning. No one has countered my argument. Why would they? It makes total sense. I’m not sure how I got in the middle of this. But I’m checking out of this thread. Look bruh nothing you said makes a bit of sense either. What am I missing?
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Ok. Now what? What are you going to do to improve your situation?