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Teevster

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I think both OP and the girl are better off now.

My final word on the matter.

I understand this is hard for OP, but I hope this thread has given him things to think about, and perhaps provided him some knowledge that can help him make sense of what happened, so that he can get some closure. This closure is key in the process of recovering from a break up.

OP should focus on the recovery phase now. The sooner the better.

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This does not apply to a 28 y old virgin, with depression and low self-esteem.

But yes this can happen when proper screening is at play, and you are dealing with a sane girl, and a healthy dynamic. This was not the case here.

Different premises, different rules.

-Teevster

Ye I mean his intuition picked it up

He didn't invest as much as he could because he felt something was off

OP is just in scarcity and emotional so he cant' think straight. If this girl ever comes back he will still be ambivalent about investing and she will pull away again

Best course of action IMO is he should do his best to move on. Heartbreak sucks but he will get over it and in a few years he will see how silly all this is
 

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Ye I mean his intuition picked it up

He didn't invest as much as he could be he felt something was off

OP is just in scarcity and emotional so he cant' think straight. If this girl ever comes back he will still be ambivalent about investing and she will pull away again

Best course of action IMO is he should do his best to move on. Heartbreak sucks but he will get over it and in a few years he will see how silly all this is

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OP is just in scarcity and emotional so he cant' think straight. If this girl ever comes back he will still be ambivalent about investing and she will pull away again

Possibly, but more likely, he will be forced to commit harder, and will also be more psychologically commited if he happens to get her back (as a result of the trauma caused by this break up), which will ruin his frame and lead to a worse break up than the current one. Seen it happen all too often.

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So if you want to progress the relationship with a HSE girl, what's the best method?

If not preemptively before she's asking, and not reactively to her demands... You have to be very attuned to her hints hit the narrow escalation window before she's really verbalizing it?
 

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Ye I mean his intuition picked it up

He didn't invest as much as he could because he felt something was off

OP is just in scarcity and emotional so he cant' think straight. If this girl ever comes back he will still be ambivalent about investing and she will pull away again

Best course of action IMO is he should do his best to move on. Heartbreak sucks but he will get over it and in a few years he will see how silly all this is
lol i was writtin this ...but anyways this is my take for op:

-he was screening and he did not really want to make her main (for many reasons)

- when she started pulling away.... He value her more and said "losing my hair, have not got a girl like this in a while, it will be harder now" this got him needy and she pulled away (cause she was checking out by the time this happened)
 

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To give a timeline of what happened in last 2 months:

Late May (shortly before her flight back to Turkey) she suddenly announces that she can't be with me, "you aren't meeting my friends, I can't give you anything except sex, I feel like I am holding you back blah blah blah" - I manage to smooth things within days

3 June: flies to Turkey. We continue daily communication while she's there

1st July: flies back to UK with her parents and brother. Her parents and brother stay with her here till 10 July. She is with them 24/7, I don't get a chance to see her.

11th July: her parents are gone. I finally see her first time since late May

A few days later: she tells me that she (or her father) are booking her a flight ticket again back to Turkey on 28th July for another month. I am surprised (and a bit hurt, internally, I wanted her to spend summer with me). I ask her why so soon. She says "well I have nothing to do here in UK... I know you are here, but...." I tell her, "well, I AM HERE", to which she doesn't really respond clearly. I ask her to try to postpone the flight, she agrees to try.

Next 10 days (till 23 July) we spend a lot of time together. I take her various places, for a day at the beach, museums, all this stuff. I repeatedly ask her multiple times "have you changed your flight? I want to spend more time with you"" To which she is being a bit vague, "I am asking my dad, he hasn't done it yet, looks like the airline does't want to give a refund...Would you pay for my ticket if I change dates? Haha only joking."

It all felt a bit like she doesn't really care if she spends more time with me or not (I frankly told her this). Once again, I felt somewhat hurt and surprised internally that it appeared like I wasn't in her near future proper plans for the summer. Once I frankly said this to her (in a message) , she readily messaged me "postponed my flight till 5 August".

25 July: We spend more time together. She says something like "It will be one year since we met soon...And I've done fuck all in the last year...No job, just useless..." I am already planning some stuff to do for the anniversary, I say nothing because I want it to be a bit of a surprise - my intention is too tell her a little later, but I give her a hint that I am planning to do things and see her on the anniversary (just don't tell her everything).

28 July: I tell her "lets do yoga tonight and tomorrow we make a daytrip to the beach". She hangs out daytime with her friend, meets me that evening. So we do yoga then when relaxing afterwards she comes out suddenly with "I can't do this".... and you know the rest.

So literally, around 4 weeks before the anniversary this happens: she (or her family) book her a flight back before the anniversary, she seems fine with it and doesn't seem concerned about me. Then I repeatedly tell her to change the flight date and that I want to spend more time with her. She eventually does it. All this time she seems to be happy to hang out with me...And then suddenly one week before the anniversary date she breaks up, literally hours after agreeing to go on a daytrip the following day.
 
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So if you want to progress the relationship with a HSE girl, what's the best method?

If not preemptively before she's asking, and not reactively to her demands... You have to be very attuned to her hints hit the narrow escalation window before she's really verbalizing it?
brother the methods of getting a main no matter depress, lse, etc.. does not change...

-you date multiple girls
-they start winning you over
- you pick the best...

does not matter if she is amber heard... op did not do that... this girl should not have made it to main, actually she did not, he wanted to make her main out of scarcity..
 

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I also don't feel like I can have a relationship in my state...I don't love you... I was with you all this time because I didn't want to be lonely.... I was thinking you'd leave me soon after we met but you stayed and I liked you and your attention"

This section, quoted recently by @KJ Francis is all I need to know that her words are just pretext and that his lack of so-called "commitement" - seeing her friends, and familly, is the cause behind the break-up.

This does not mean that I think seeing her friends and getting to know her familly would have been a bad idea - quite the contrary (unless it is done directly as a response to her "ultimatums" - which mind you she never gave - as this would have ruined OPs frame totally).

It just means that there is a different cause here. My candidate is: 28 y old virgin (abnornal sex life), low-self esteem (she even hints at it in her own words - "didn't want to be lonely", and "liked your attention" and "I was sure you were going to leave") and her depression - ref "I also do not feel I can have a relationship in my state" followed with a brutal "I don't love you".

I mean she offered the explanation on a silver platter.

@HeartOfChaos

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To give a timeline of what happened in last 2 months:

Late May (shortly before her flight back to Turkey) she suddenly announces that she can't be with me, "you aren't meeting my friends, I can't give you anything except sex, I feel like I am holding you back blah blah blah" - I manage to smooth things within days

3 June: flies to Turkey. We continue daily communication while she's there

1st July: flies back to UK with her parents and brother. Her parents and brother stay with her here till 10 July. She is with them 24/7, I don't get a chance to see her.

11th July: her parents are gone. I finally see her first time since late May

A few days later: she tells me that she (or her father) are booking her a flight ticket again back to Turkey on 28th July for another month. I am surprised (and a bit hurt, internally, I wanted her to spend summer with me). I ask her why so soon. She says "well I have nothing to do here in UK... I know you are here, but...." I tell her, "well, I AM HERE", to which she doesn't really respond clearly. I ask her to try to postpone the flight, she agrees to try.

Next 10 days (till 24 July)or so we hang out, I take her various places, for a day at the beach, museums, all this stuff. I repeatedly ask her multiple times "have you changed your flight? I want to spend more time with you"" To which she is being a bit vague, "I am asking my dad, he hasn't done it yet, looks like the airline does't want to give a refund...Would you pay for my ticket if I change dates? Haha only joking."

It felt a bit like she doesn't really care if she spends more time with me or not (I frankly told her this). Once again, I felt somewhat hurt and surprised internally that it appeared like I wasn't in her near future proper plans for the summer

Then she readily messaged me "postponed my flight till 5 August".

26 July: We spend more time together. She says something like "It will be one year since we met soon...And I've done fuck all in the last year...No job, just useless..." I am already planning some stuff to do for the anniversary, I say nothing because I want it to be a bit of a surprise - my intention is too tell her a little later, but I give her a hint that I am planning to do things and see her on the anniversary (just don't tell her everything).

28 July: I tell her "lets do yoga tonight and tomorrow we make a daytrip to the beach". She hangs out daytime with her friend, meets me that evening. So we do yoga then when relaxing afterwards she comes out suddenly with "I can't do this".... and you know the rest.

So literally, around 4 weeks before the anniversary this happens: she (or her family) book her a flight back before the anniversary, she seems fine with it and doesn't seem concerned about me. Then I repeatedly tell her to change the flight date and that I want to spend more time with her. She eventually does it. All this time she seems to be happy to hang out with me...And then suddenly one week before the anniversary date she breaks up, literally hours after agreeing to go on a daytrip the following day.
^ for the 50th time @Teevster i even treat my fuck buddies better than this ^
 

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This section, quoted recently by @KJ Francis is all I need to know that her words are just pretext and that his lack of so-called "commitement" - seeing her friends, and familly, is the cause behind the break-up.

This does not mean that I think seeing her friends and getting to know her familly would have been a bad idea - quite the contrary (unless it is done directly as a response to her "ultimatums" - which mind you she never gave - as this would have ruined OPs frame totally).

It just means that there is a different cause here. My candidate is: 28 y old virgin (abnornal sex life), low-self esteem (she even hints at it in her own words - "didn't want to be lonely", and "liked your attention" and "I was sure you were going to leave") and her depression - ref "I also do not feel I can have a relationship in my state" followed with a brutal "I don't love you".

I mean she offered the explanation on a silver platter.

@HeartOfChaos

-Teevster
But sometimes girls say all types of stuff that does not necessarily mean what they actually mean... just when they are in hurt or frustrated state, i would not take that literally..
 

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To give a timeline of what happened in last 2 months:

Late May (shortly before her flight back to Turkey) she suddenly announces that she can't be with me, "you aren't meeting my friends, I can't give you anything except sex, I feel like I am holding you back blah blah blah" - I manage to smooth things within days

3 June: flies to Turkey. We continue daily communication while she's there

1st July: flies back to UK with her parents and brother. Her parents and brother stay with her here till 10 July. She is with them 24/7, I don't get a chance to see her.

11th July: her parents are gone. I finally see her first time since late May

A few days later: she tells me that she (or her father) are booking her a flight ticket again back to Turkey on 28th July for another month. I am surprised (and a bit hurt, internally, I wanted her to spend summer with me). I ask her why so soon. She says "well I have nothing to do here in UK... I know you are here, but...." I tell her, "well, I AM HERE", to which she doesn't really respond clearly. I ask her to try to postpone the flight, she agrees to try.

Next 10 days (till 24 July)or so we hang out, I take her various places, for a day at the beach, museums, all this stuff. I repeatedly ask her multiple times "have you changed your flight? I want to spend more time with you"" To which she is being a bit vague, "I am asking my dad, he hasn't done it yet, looks like the airline does't want to give a refund...Would you pay for my ticket if I change dates? Haha only joking."

Thanks for this.

Clearly a girl who has decided to gradually break up. This is typical "breaking up" pattern. Her behaviour also does not indicate the behaviour of a "hurt girl" who did not get "her man to commit hard enough".

Hence, all in line with the point I have tried to present thus far.

-Teevster
 

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But sometimes girls say all types of stuff that does not necessarily mean what they actually mean... just when they are in hurt or frustrated state, i would not take that literally..

Yes, but when they match with her overall profiling....

^ for the 50th time @Teevster i even treat my fuck buddies better than this ^

I do not see any signs of poor treatment from @HeartOfChaos. Quite the contrary, it is her who is starting the process of dumping him - and breaking the ties. She is the one being distant - because she is in the process of dumping him, and he is frame-wise trying to win her back.



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But sometimes girls say all types of stuff that does not necessarily mean what they actually mean... just when they are in hurt or frustrated state, i would not take that literally..
yes. since when do we take what women say seriously? what is this reddit?
 

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He treats her better than my fuckbuddies. They lucky if I even text them once every 2 weeks lol

Ditto.

And YET, they do not dump you in such a pittiful way. She was clearly playing with OP during this "break up phase".

That's what I read between the lines here.

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