Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[Skills]

if you break it down to its bare essence. it follows the same mating ritual.

- approached the girl at pulloclock. which we’ve already established is 1-2 hours before they close the venue.

- girl lets him know she is attracted to him.

he approached her cousin and then she interrupted him saying , “she has a boyfriend”

guy lets her know that he is attracted to her.

he said, “thats fine. because i actually came over to talk to you”.

this makes her happy and now flirting begins

- jokingly referring to himself as a bad boy
- curiosity baiting her
- using smoking as an excuse to go outside and smoke.
- sex talk commences.

no “lol he’s obviously trying to get into my pants” thoughts because the mating ritual has been followed.

- she pulls him into the bathroom stall wanting to fuck. he breaks it off for fear of getting banned from the venue.

which as a side note, i don’t think is true. because i had sex in one venue 2 months ago. and was fucking a girl pass closing hours. and the bar staff kept knocking on our door to tell us to get out. i showed up to the venue the following week and one of the bar staff members gave me a fist bump, saying “my man” -

Brah

 

[ChrisXKiss]

the thought “lol he’s trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it” should not occur in her head if the mating ritual was followed. therefore if that is what she’s thinking when you begin to talk about sex. it’s a matter of her not actually being attracted to you (misreading her signals) or your flirting leading up to sex talk was off. a mix of either being too cocky or too boring.

Yep I get that.

I’ve probably done it with girls that were only social but were spending time with me. I suppose I still feel there is a way to get her into you if she does spend time with you, but maybe this needs you to be even more indirect working with social proof and preselection a lot.

I’ve also gotten girls on dates though who are clearly into me that give the vibe that talking about sex is not very comfortable for them. They give very short comments and change the subject fast, and it feels like I am too stubborn if I keep trying to talk about sex.

Maybe these are cases of “I won’t sleep with him tonight to not be easy”, but if I want to break through that, I have to use some anti ASD frames from sex talk, and it can end up feeling like: “he is really trying to talk about sex isn’t he, he is so focused on that”.

I agree that in general though it’s better to set some sexual frames at the right pace.

The one time I have decided to not do it almost at all is if I have a short date where I know I cannot close by the end.

If I go into sexual topics then, it really feels to the girl that next time she is probably expected to sleep with me and it creates more friction.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

I have a specific post on this:

Cases were second generation verbals such as sex talk and sexting does not work (sex talk/sexting troubleshooting) - The Skills Method

First sex talk/sexting is a misleading term because sex talk is not “I want my cock deep inside your pussy and bust all over your face” (though this could actually … Continue Reading →

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Have been guilty of 4, probably quite a lot in fact.

I feel it is one of the reasons I have been struggling to get a second date after not closing on the first one, it just feels like if the second will happen we just have to have sex now and puts too much pressure on them.

 

[Spike]

I’ve also gotten girls on dates though who are clearly into me that give the vibe that talking about sex is not very comfortable for them

what exactly do ask them?
gambits you run?

i’m trying to narrow this down because off the top of my head i can’t think of an instance where a girl that was into me, was uncomfortable talking about sex.

 

[Skills]

Have been guilty of 4, probably quite a lot in fact.

I feel it is one of the reasons I have been struggling to get a second date after not closing on the first one, it just feels like if the second will happen we just have to have sex now and puts too much pressure on them.

Actually 4 is context dependent... I have bang a lot of girls in second encounter after doing second gen...i made this article years after:

How to increase your chances if the lay is not there on the meet

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