Reminder you still need to use second gen in some scenarios

[Skills]

if you break it down to its bare essence. it follows the same mating ritual.

- approached the girl at pulloclock. which we’ve already established is 1-2 hours before they close the venue.

- girl lets him know she is attracted to him.

he approached her cousin and then she interrupted him saying , “she has a boyfriend”

guy lets her know that he is attracted to her.

he said, “thats fine. because i actually came over to talk to you”.

this makes her happy and now flirting begins

- jokingly referring to himself as a bad boy
- curiosity baiting her
- using smoking as an excuse to go outside and smoke.
- sex talk commences.

no “lol he’s obviously trying to get into my pants” thoughts because the mating ritual has been followed.

- she pulls him into the bathroom stall wanting to fuck. he breaks it off for fear of getting banned from the venue.

which as a side note, i don’t think is true. because i had sex in one venue 2 months ago. and was fucking a girl pass closing hours. and the bar staff kept knocking on our door to tell us to get out. i showed up to the venue the following week and one of the bar staff members gave me a fist bump, saying “my man” -

Brah

 

[ChrisXKiss]

the thought “lol he’s trying to get things sexual between us by talking about it” should not occur in her head if the mating ritual was followed. therefore if that is what she’s thinking when you begin to talk about sex. it’s a matter of her not actually being attracted to you (misreading her signals) or your flirting leading up to sex talk was off. a mix of either being too cocky or too boring.

Yep I get that.

I’ve probably done it with girls that were only social but were spending time with me. I suppose I still feel there is a way to get her into you if she does spend time with you, but maybe this needs you to be even more indirect working with social proof and preselection a lot.

I’ve also gotten girls on dates though who are clearly into me that give the vibe that talking about sex is not very comfortable for them. They give very short comments and change the subject fast, and it feels like I am too stubborn if I keep trying to talk about sex.

Maybe these are cases of “I won’t sleep with him tonight to not be easy”, but if I want to break through that, I have to use some anti ASD frames from sex talk, and it can end up feeling like: “he is really trying to talk about sex isn’t he, he is so focused on that”.

I agree that in general though it’s better to set some sexual frames at the right pace.

The one time I have decided to not do it almost at all is if I have a short date where I know I cannot close by the end.

If I go into sexual topics then, it really feels to the girl that next time she is probably expected to sleep with me and it creates more friction.

 

[ChrisXKiss]

I have a specific post on this:

Cases were second generation verbals such as sex talk and sexting does not work (sex talk/sexting troubleshooting) - The Skills Method

First sex talk/sexting is a misleading term because sex talk is not “I want my cock deep inside your pussy and bust all over your face” (though this could actually … Continue Reading →

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Have been guilty of 4, probably quite a lot in fact.

I feel it is one of the reasons I have been struggling to get a second date after not closing on the first one, it just feels like if the second will happen we just have to have sex now and puts too much pressure on them.

 

[Velasco]

I’ve also gotten girls on dates though who are clearly into me that give the vibe that talking about sex is not very comfortable for them

what exactly do ask them?
gambits you run?

i’m trying to narrow this down because off the top of my head i can’t think of an instance where a girl that was into me, was uncomfortable talking about sex.

 

[Skills]

Have been guilty of 4, probably quite a lot in fact.

I feel it is one of the reasons I have been struggling to get a second date after not closing on the first one, it just feels like if the second will happen we just have to have sex now and puts too much pressure on them.

Actually 4 is context dependent... I have bang a lot of girls in second encounter after doing second gen...i made this article years after:

How to increase your chances if the lay is not there on the meet

Disclaimer.- this will be a long comprehensive post but it will totally help you big time, so read it and understand it... Most of the dudes including seducers are still living in the wrong century, or flat out they are not out there gaming or are pretty much kj, because i really don't...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[ChrisXKiss]

what exactly do ask them?
gambits you run?

i’m trying to narrow this down because off the top of my head i can’t think of an instance where a girl that was into me, was uncomfortable talking about sex.

One thing I had started doing was talking about dating experiences and what they like in guys.

Usual answers to that are things like: I want him to be honest, to respect me, to be there for me etc

Then I may say ok and what makes you really excited, and I may get myself into how the sexual connection is vital because that’s the deepest form of experience between a man and a woman.

Here I have gotten answers ranging from I only do sex when there is connection and I need my time, to yes sex is good but only a part of the equation.

And I can feel with a lot of these girls that I need to put a lot of effort into reframing sex as something natural that can happen fast and be great. And generally they seem like they would prefer to talk about something else compared to how they experience sex and what they enjoy about it, they feel a bit on guard or like I only want them for it.

At the same time of course I’ve had girls that have been hornier, or more sexual that when I took the topic there, they discussed about it casually and were quite receptive to me being openly sexual.

Of course these last ones are way easier to just pull and get sexual with, my question would be what is the best way to prime the previous ones for sex.

At some point I felt that maybe not talking explicitly about it and going a bit under the radar till you get home and escalate is a way, but I think sooner or later you will face some objections about going too fast anyway.

So maybe it is better to just ease it into the conversation in general, go for reframes as much as you can and if they really are adamant about not having sex till x amount of time, you are simply not a good match.

Because the biggest trap is indeed when you do have a sexual vibe with a girl, you feel that you are on the same page, but when you go to escalate she gives resistance and wants to wait, and you realise you should have addressed it way earlier to see where you stand.

I think I just read about a lot of pulls and hook ups that happen without explicit sex talk and I am wondering how do people know that it’s not needed, the girl is down for it and won’t give LMR, and if there is a way to structure my interactions to feel like that without specifically talking about it, or if it’s just better to always talk about it to be safe.

 

[Velasco]

At some point I felt that maybe not talking explicitly about it and going a bit under the radar till you get home and escalate is a way, but I think sooner or later you will face some objections about going too fast anyway.

field tested.

result:

FR - How to deal with naive girls?

Just had a really weird experience and i’m writing this from my uber back home lol My friends and I were out at this big bar in the city. There’s not a lot of girls that i’m interested besides this one asian girl that i saw upstairs but she was surrounded by friends and they didn’t seem...

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Because the biggest trap is indeed when you do have a sexual vibe with a girl, you feel that you are on the same page, but when you go to escalate she gives resistance and wants to wait, and you realise you should have addressed it way earlier to see where you stand

yes. screening. the earlier you test. the less time is wasted. how you end up spending 30 minutes with a girl where nothing was going to happen instead of going for a girl (with the same level of attractiveness or better) who would have been receptive to your sexual advances.

or if it’s just better to always talk about it to be safe

yeah

 

[Skills]

This the issue i was mentioning with sex talk overkill... I am doing a bit of it again.. is working but i am getting the "i get a feel you are a player" stuff but again even there stronger follow up and hook... I will also make a post eventually about some dynamics with gen z.... However is mainly for the over power presence guys were you at times got a be more humble...

 

[Skills]

One thing I had started doing was talking about dating experiences and what they like in guys.

Usual answers to that are things like: I want him to be honest, to respect me, to be there for me etc

Then I may say ok and what makes you really excited, and I may get myself into how the sexual connection is vital because that’s the deepest form of experience between a man and a woman.

Here I have gotten answers ranging from I only do sex when there is connection and I need my time, to yes sex is good but only a part of the equation.

And I can feel with a lot of these girls that I need to put a lot of effort into reframing sex as something natural that can happen fast and be great. And generally they seem like they would prefer to talk about something else compared to how they experience sex and what they enjoy about it, they feel a bit on guard or like I only want them for it.

At the same time of course I’ve had girls that have been hornier, or more sexual that when I took the topic there, they discussed about it casually and were quite receptive to me being openly sexual.

Of course these last ones are way easier to just pull and get sexual with, my question would be what is the best way to prime the previous ones for sex.

At some point I felt that maybe not talking explicitly about it and going a bit under the radar till you get home and escalate is a way, but I think sooner or later you will face some objections about going too fast anyway.

So maybe it is better to just ease it into the conversation in general, go for reframes as much as you can and if they really are adamant about not having sex till x amount of time, you are simply not a good match.

Because the biggest trap is indeed when you do have a sexual vibe with a girl, you feel that you are on the same page, but when you go to escalate she gives resistance and wants to wait, and you realise you should have addressed it way earlier to see where you stand.

I think I just read about a lot of pulls and hook ups that happen without explicit sex talk and I am wondering how do people know that it’s not needed, the girl is down for it and won’t give LMR, and if there is a way to structure my interactions to feel like that without specifically talking about it, or if it’s just better to always talk about it to be safe.

Yes bd style as i mentioned in one of the post this is no the second gen recommended in here, but better than nothing...

 

[Dark_Stallion]

Very random way to open back a thread, I know reading some of the field reports in my sober nightgames, one of my biggest things that I wanted to work on was verbal escalation, and I never really had the opportunity.

After reading @Teevster's article on Meet Markets, I realize the bars that I go to are specifically meet markets, and after reading the article, it seems like more so "dumb luck" goes into getting laid, which tbh doesn't work out as much for me, since the girls in this meet market are not neccesarily the best looking, only a few truly hot girls in these meet markets. Doesn't seem like you need lots of game in a meet market, and cannot deliver heavy verbal escalation.

What is the best way to physically escalate on a girl in these meet markets? I think lots of it is superficial interaction, need a time to just go for a quick makeout or sexualizing the interaction quickly.

Also I would try higher end venues, but there are none near me, tbh I do better in places that are higher end venues with a good touch of meet market component, you can rely on whatever game you are feeling tbh.

 

[Skills]

Very random way to open back a thread, I know reading some of the field reports in my sober nightgames, one of my biggest things that I wanted to work on was verbal escalation, and I never really had the opportunity.

After reading @Teevster's article on Meet Markets, I realize the bars that I go to are specifically meet markets, and after reading the article, it seems like more so "dumb luck" goes into getting laid, which tbh doesn't work out as much for me, since the girls in this meet market are not neccesarily the best looking, only a few truly hot girls in these meet markets. Doesn't seem like you need lots of game in a meet market, and cannot deliver heavy verbal escalation.

What is the best way to physically escalate on a girl in these meet markets? I think lots of it is superficial interaction, need a time to just go for a quick makeout or sexualizing the interaction quickly.

Also I would try higher end venues, but there are none near me, tbh I do better in places that are higher end venues with a good touch of meet market component, you can rely on whatever game you are feeling tbh.

What does meet markets have to do with second gen other than noice... You can still do it is about the timing... I bet you are not even to the stage of the seduction were this can be done... For the physical game:

The Complete guide to Physical game

Guys i decided to write this post cause if you are out on the field you notice social dynamics have changed a bit, we are going back to the future, in other words things are trending back to the past from clothes (baggy clothes from 90, shorts with sneaker showing socks from 80s etc...).... So...

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[Teevster]

What does meet markets have to do with second gen other than noice... You can still do it is about the timing... I bet you are not even to the stage of the seduction were this can be done... For the physical game:

Yes — the noise and chaos are the main hindrance.

That aside, it’s mostly a matter of calibration. Some pointers:

• Because there’s more chaos, and because the venue both is and attracts less sophisticated people, I recommend using straightforward gambits — nothing overly academic, brainy, or avant-garde. Assume they’re not particularly sharp until proven otherwise.
• Keep gambits short and simple — you’ll have less time for verbal exchanges. In most cases, people don’t linger in quiet areas for long in meet-market environments.

Sex talk is usually best saved for post-hook and after isolation in these settings. This is because you generally need some compliance before you can get her to join you somewhere more logistically favorable for verbal game.

To @Definitely_not_a_gymrat:

Aside from verbal game, you can also use social proof strategies or screening game — both are viable. The former removes much of the “luck” factor from the equation.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Yes — the noise and chaos are the main hindrance.

That aside, it’s mostly a matter of calibration. Some pointers:

• Because there’s more chaos, and because the venue both is and attracts less sophisticated people, I recommend using straightforward gambits — nothing overly academic, brainy, or avant-garde. Assume they’re not particularly sharp until proven otherwise.
• Keep gambits short and simple — you’ll have less time for verbal exchanges. In most cases, people don’t linger in quiet areas for long in meet-market environments.

Sex talk is usually best saved for post-hook and after isolation in these settings. This is because you generally need some compliance before you can get her to join you somewhere more logistically favorable for verbal game.

To @Definitely_not_a_gymrat:

Aside from verbal game, you can also use social proof strategies or screening game — both are viable. The former removes much of the “luck” factor from the equation.

-Teevster

What i am saying in noise areas meet markets or the likes at the right moment of isolation ior n a quiet part of venue can be done..i done... Obviously you are not going to do it in a loud middle of dance floor... Which is about timing of delivery

 

[Teevster]

What i am saying in noise areas meet markets or the likes at the right moment of isolation ior n a quiet part of venue can be done..i done... Obviously you are not going to do it in a loud middle of dance floor... Which is about timing of delivery

Yes, 100%. I was not disagreeing. I just wanted to provide more context and a few extra pointer for mr Gymrat.

-Teevster